Everybody should by now have had plenty of time to provide feedback, input, and objections to the proposed rules for an iptel.org technical board. I have noted one correction to the original summary on April 28: adding semsdev@iptel.org as a nomination and voting list. I have taken this correction into the rules and established a permanent page describing the rules for a technical board.
I conclude that we have reached a consensus as described here: http://www.iptel.org/technicalboard/rules
According to the rules, we shall nominate one candidate from SEMS, two candidates with SER CVS write access, and two candidates from the wider SER community. Feel free to nominate and vote on up to five candidates in the same post. Raphael Coeffic has been nominated as SEMS representative and already started to receive votes. g-)
I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: posting to the list.
Personally, I think that makes sense as posting to the list makes the process open, (hopefully) non-politically and everybody can verify the count at the end. But if others have different opinions, please voice them now. g-)
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Everybody should by now have had plenty of time to provide feedback, input, and objections to the proposed rules for an iptel.org technical board. I have noted one correction to the original summary on April 28: adding semsdev@iptel.org as a nomination and voting list. I have taken this correction into the rules and established a permanent page describing the rules for a technical board.
I conclude that we have reached a consensus as described here: http://www.iptel.org/technicalboard/rules
According to the rules, we shall nominate one candidate from SEMS, two candidates with SER CVS write access, and two candidates from the wider SER community. Feel free to nominate and vote on up to five candidates in the same post. Raphael Coeffic has been nominated as SEMS representative and already started to receive votes. g-)
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: posting to the list.
I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-)
------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: posting to the list.
I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-)
------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: posting to the list.
I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-) ------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: posting to the list.
I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-) ------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: posting to the list.
I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-) ------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: posting to the list.
I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serdev mailing list Serdev@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
Shall not we have another narrowly focused group for resolving interop issues, ideally recruited on a wider basis than SER contributors?
-jiri
At 12:41 24/05/2007, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-) ------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
> I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My > interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and > vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: > posting to the list. > I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serdev mailing list Serdev@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
I suggest we focus on the technical board right now and pick up that ball a bit later. Note also that it's iptel.org contributors and not only SER contributors who are within the scope of nominations to the technical board. g-)
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Shall not we have another narrowly focused group for resolving interop issues, ideally recruited on a wider basis than SER contributors?
-jiri
At 12:41 24/05/2007, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-) ------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
> Greger V. Teigre wrote: > > >> I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My >> interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and >> vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: >> posting to the list. >> >> > I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be > secret. > > Regards, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serdev mailing list Serdev@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
Hi *,
I would like to nominate Raphael Coeffic from SEMS development, Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul and Jan Janak from SER development, Greger V. Teigre and Martin Hoffmann from the boarder community.
Looking at the actual state of the election I am just afraid that the result will not be so balanced between the companies, hopefully it will not cause any problem. Anyway, we can add some more people to the board later if there is a need for it.
Regards, Miklos
On 05/24/2007 02:50 PM, Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I suggest we focus on the technical board right now and pick up that ball a bit later. Note also that it's iptel.org contributors and not only SER contributors who are within the scope of nominations to the technical board. g-)
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Shall not we have another narrowly focused group for resolving interop issues, ideally recruited on a wider basis than SER contributors?
-jiri
At 12:41 24/05/2007, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
> Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in > decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the > mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear > rationale in order to prefer it. > g-) > ------- Original message ------- > From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de > Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org > Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54 > > > >> Greger V. Teigre wrote: >> >> >>> I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My >>> interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and >>> vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: >>> posting to the list. >>> >>> >> I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be >> secret. >> >> Regards, >> Martin >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Serusers mailing list > Serusers@lists.iptel.org > http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers > >
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serdev mailing list Serdev@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Hi Miklos, I believe all the mentioned are already nominated and found on the overview page. As for balance between companies, I hope we can avoid having a majority from a single commercial entity, as this can reinforce the (false) impression that iptel.org is controlled by a commercial entity. That being said, people are nominated (and I'm pretty sure also receive votes) based on their personal track record and all the currently nominated people have IMHO clearly showed their dedication across employers. g-)
Miklos Tirpak wrote:
Hi *,
I would like to nominate Raphael Coeffic from SEMS development, Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul and Jan Janak from SER development, Greger V. Teigre and Martin Hoffmann from the boarder community.
Looking at the actual state of the election I am just afraid that the result will not be so balanced between the companies, hopefully it will not cause any problem. Anyway, we can add some more people to the board later if there is a need for it.
Regards, Miklos
On 05/24/2007 02:50 PM, Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I suggest we focus on the technical board right now and pick up that ball a bit later. Note also that it's iptel.org contributors and not only SER contributors who are within the scope of nominations to the technical board. g-)
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Shall not we have another narrowly focused group for resolving interop issues, ideally recruited on a wider basis than SER contributors?
-jiri
At 12:41 24/05/2007, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
> You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track > of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when > deciding their votes. Just an idea. > > I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating > stuff! Seconded? ;) > > > N. > > > Greger Viken Teigre wrote: > > >> Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in >> decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the >> mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear >> rationale in order to prefer it. >> g-) >> ------- Original message ------- >> From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de >> Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org >> Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54 >> >> >> >> >>> Greger V. Teigre wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My >>>> interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and >>>> vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: >>>> posting to the list. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be >>> secret. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Serusers mailing list >> Serusers@lists.iptel.org >> http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serdev mailing list Serdev@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Speaking of which, with the name 'OpenSER,' it's very easy for people to get the misconception that SER is a closed project and OpenSER is the open version of it. There ought to be some mention of 'open source' or at least the word 'open' somewhere on the SER project's main page (if there is, I didn't see it on cursory glance, so someone might need to re-evaluate the verbage). That might help alleviate some people's concerns about the overall nature of the SER project and how it's developed.
With SER and OpenSER now becoming more and more divergent, and the project names themselves being incredibly misleading, a good, simple explanation of the nature of the SER project could go a long way.
N.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Hi Miklos, I believe all the mentioned are already nominated and found on the overview page. As for balance between companies, I hope we can avoid having a majority from a single commercial entity, as this can reinforce the (false) impression that iptel.org is controlled by a commercial entity. That being said, people are nominated (and I'm pretty sure also receive votes) based on their personal track record and all the currently nominated people have IMHO clearly showed their dedication across employers. g-)
Miklos Tirpak wrote:
Hi *,
I would like to nominate Raphael Coeffic from SEMS development, Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul and Jan Janak from SER development, Greger V. Teigre and Martin Hoffmann from the boarder community.
Looking at the actual state of the election I am just afraid that the result will not be so balanced between the companies, hopefully it will not cause any problem. Anyway, we can add some more people to the board later if there is a need for it.
Regards, Miklos
On 05/24/2007 02:50 PM, Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I suggest we focus on the technical board right now and pick up that ball a bit later. Note also that it's iptel.org contributors and not only SER contributors who are within the scope of nominations to the technical board. g-)
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Shall not we have another narrowly focused group for resolving interop issues, ideally recruited on a wider basis than SER contributors?
-jiri
At 12:41 24/05/2007, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
> Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and > when people accept the nominations. > > Let me start: > I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the > two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across > SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to > long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user > community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book > auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider > installations). > > As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS > representative/developer, I only nominate four. > g-) > > > SIP wrote: > > >> You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track >> of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when >> deciding their votes. Just an idea. >> >> I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating >> stuff! Seconded? ;) >> >> >> N. >> >> >> Greger Viken Teigre wrote: >> >> >>> Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in >>> decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the >>> mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear >>> rationale in order to prefer it. >>> g-) >>> ------- Original message ------- >>> From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de >>> Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org >>> Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Greger V. Teigre wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My >>>>> interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and >>>>> vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: >>>>> posting to the list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be >>>> secret. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Serusers mailing list >>> Serusers@lists.iptel.org >>> http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers >>> >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Serusers mailing list > Serusers@lists.iptel.org > http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers > > > _______________________________________________ Serdev mailing list Serdev@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
On http:/iptel.org/ it is fairly explicit that the projects are open-source, but you are right, http://www.iptel.org/ser didn't mention it explicitly, which I have now corrected :-) Thanks, g-)
SIP wrote:
Speaking of which, with the name 'OpenSER,' it's very easy for people to get the misconception that SER is a closed project and OpenSER is the open version of it. There ought to be some mention of 'open source' or at least the word 'open' somewhere on the SER project's main page (if there is, I didn't see it on cursory glance, so someone might need to re-evaluate the verbage). That might help alleviate some people's concerns about the overall nature of the SER project and how it's developed.
With SER and OpenSER now becoming more and more divergent, and the project names themselves being incredibly misleading, a good, simple explanation of the nature of the SER project could go a long way.
N.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Hi Miklos, I believe all the mentioned are already nominated and found on the overview page. As for balance between companies, I hope we can avoid having a majority from a single commercial entity, as this can reinforce the (false) impression that iptel.org is controlled by a commercial entity. That being said, people are nominated (and I'm pretty sure also receive votes) based on their personal track record and all the currently nominated people have IMHO clearly showed their dedication across employers. g-)
Miklos Tirpak wrote:
Hi *,
I would like to nominate Raphael Coeffic from SEMS development, Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul and Jan Janak from SER development, Greger V. Teigre and Martin Hoffmann from the boarder community.
Looking at the actual state of the election I am just afraid that the result will not be so balanced between the companies, hopefully it will not cause any problem. Anyway, we can add some more people to the board later if there is a need for it.
Regards, Miklos
On 05/24/2007 02:50 PM, Greger V. Teigre wrote:
I suggest we focus on the technical board right now and pick up that ball a bit later. Note also that it's iptel.org contributors and not only SER contributors who are within the scope of nominations to the technical board. g-)
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Shall not we have another narrowly focused group for resolving interop issues, ideally recruited on a wider basis than SER contributors?
-jiri
At 12:41 24/05/2007, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
> I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei > Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik > Scholz. > > Jan. > > Greger V. Teigre wrote: > > > >> Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and >> when people accept the nominations. >> >> Let me start: >> I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the >> two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across >> SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to >> long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user >> community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book >> auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider >> installations). >> >> As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS >> representative/developer, I only nominate four. >> g-) >> >> >> SIP wrote: >> >> >> >>> You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track >>> of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when >>> deciding their votes. Just an idea. >>> >>> I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating >>> stuff! Seconded? ;) >>> >>> >>> N. >>> >>> >>> Greger Viken Teigre wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in >>>> decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the >>>> mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear >>>> rationale in order to prefer it. >>>> g-) >>>> ------- Original message ------- >>>> From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de >>>> Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org >>>> Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Greger V. Teigre wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My >>>>>> interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and >>>>>> vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: >>>>>> posting to the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be >>>>> secret. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Martin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Serusers mailing list >>>> Serusers@lists.iptel.org >>>> http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Serusers mailing list >> Serusers@lists.iptel.org >> http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Serdev mailing list > Serdev@lists.iptel.org > http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev > > >
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
We then have 9 nominees on: http://www.iptel.org/nominations_and_voting_technical_board_2007
Could those who have been nominated, but still are listed as "suggested" on the page above, please contact me privately to tell if they accept the nomination? g-)
Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Personally I will constrain myself to three however difficult it may be (in alphabetical order): Andrei for his long-lasting core achievements and insights, Jan for his so-many-modules and DB-model achievements and insights, and Hendrik for his modules and hands-on operational experience. (Notwisthanding that, I really have a long list of other individuals whom I consider technically fit for that, Greger, Nils, Martin, Maxim, Miklos, ... actually the list would become longer and longer, one just hast to make a call...)
-jiri
At 11:19 24/05/2007, Jan Janak wrote:
I would like to nominate Stefan Sayer for SEMS, Jiri Kuthan and Andrei Pelinescu for SER, and last, but not least, Greger Teigre and Hendrik Scholz.
Jan.
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Ok, I'll keep track of nominations on a new page on iptel.org if and when people accept the nominations.
Let me start: I would like to nominate Jan Janak and Andrei Pelinescu-Onciul for the two developer positions (both due to their central involvement across SER), N. (sip@arcdiv.com) as a user community representative (due to long-time and valuable serusers activity), and Martin Hoffmann as a user community representative (due to his strong SER credentials as book auther, long-term developer and operator of service provider installations).
As Raphael has already accepted his nomination as a SEMS representative/developer, I only nominate four. g-)
SIP wrote:
You ought to stick up a page on the Iptel site somewhere to keep track of who's been nominated perhaps, so people could reference it when deciding their votes. Just an idea.
I nominate Greger to keep track of all of this voting nominating stuff! Seconded? ;)
N.
Greger Viken Teigre wrote:
Why should voting be secret? We strive openness and transparency in decision processes by making decisions through consensus on the mailing lists. I think secret voting should have a very clear rationale in order to prefer it. g-) ------- Original message ------- From: Martin Hoffmann hn@nvnc.de Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org, serdev@lists.iptel.org, semsdev@iptel.org Sent: 18.5.'07, 10:54
Greger V. Teigre wrote:
> I have received private questions on how to nominate and vote. My > interpretation is that nobody has suggested that we nominate and > vote using another procedure than default in consensus building: > posting to the list. > > I think it is one main feature of all this voting business to be secret.
Regards, Martin
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serdev mailing list Serdev@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serdev
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