Ok, is evident I am completely unable in this things, I totally see I am.
Sorry to have screwed up, I was well meaning (as you hinted), and I will
definitely change my attitude in future.
Sorry again, I just wanted (and I see I was superficial and wrong) to
extend invitation to party, with no other interest than being seen as a
nice guy, btw I am not organizing it and I believe the organizers are
actively reaching to Asterisk community, maybe the organizers are not the
most efficients party organizers. I am not yet subscribed to asterisk
mailing list, that is why I have not put it in copy (also, now I understand
is bad to send messages to multiple mailing lists).
Anyway, I am sad, I do it wrongly (totally clear now to me), I apologize,
it will not happen again in future. That is sure.
-giovanni
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 10:26 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello,
there are couple of aspects to clarify with your kind of approach here.
* First, because you did it couple of times, email good manners say not to
send a message to many recipients that have no close relation between them.
You addressed many of your past emails to couple of mailing lists:
- if you think the members overlap, then send to only one, everyone will
get it from there
- if you don't think the above and the communities are different, send
independent messages to each of your recipients or put them on bcc. After
all, copy&paste is cheap, takes few more seconds, but is done properly. We
encourage Reply-All in your community, when someone sends an email with
recipient in no relation with themselves and our project, even worse with
subscribe-only mailing lists, it doesn't play nice
* Users mailing list here is for discussions about using Kamailio. If you
do a presentation or something else that doesn't involve directly Kamailio,
even if you think some aspects there can be interesting, this is not the
forum for it. Use business list or contact first the Kamailio project admin
or management groups to figure out where is the most appropriate place to
post your message. It was suggested by others for your past posts, I wanted
to highlight it again.
* Personal opinion here, but your event seems organized somehow around the
facilities/efforts put together by Astricon/Asterisk team to get people in
Orlando. It is announced as a public event, on several open source
projects, like Kamailio or FreeSwitch, but Asterisk is left out (or at
least I couldn't see any announcement on Asterisk Users/Business lists). If
you invited all of us here, thousands people in Kamailio Users list, maybe
this could have been done as something more official with the organizers of
the main event. It's usual that various groups organize themselves in sort
of private meetings/gatherings/parties at world wide events, discussing
among them, but doing it in this mode looks more like a cheap way of
advertising.
The sponsors of your event promote themselves as "known sponsors and
contributors to the OpenSouce Telecom Community". If Asterisk doesn't
qualify for open source telecom, then likely no one else qualifies. Or
maybe the meaning of "OpenSouce Telecom Community" is like: hey, I use an
open source telephony project, so I am also part of the "OpenSouce Telecom
Community", so I am going to "sponsor" myself some drinks, thus now I am
now "sponsor and contributor to the OpenSouce Telecom Community".
Also, the sponsors have very little or nothing to do with Kamailio
project. Moreover, various people involved there, among the sponsors and
the others, had aggressive campaigns against Kamailio project and its
developers in the past. After saying left and right that Kamailio has
incapable developers and it is going to die as a project, but 10 years late
they find our project and community interesting ... huh.
* I see a photo that includes me on the web page of your event. It would
have been polite to at least ask if I am fine with, not to say that it is
illegal to do it with the privacy laws in European Union. Maybe I agreed
that pictures that capture me at some past events (in this case Astricon
2017) can be used by the organizers of the event, but for sure I didn't
agree to be used by others for promoting of events not related to me,
Kamailio or the original event. And if you think of asking now: I am not.
It happens also that I attended all Kamailio World editions, so the
statement in your event web page that "You've seen us at ... Kamailio
World" is unclear. Who is "us"? I see in the page faces that were never
at
KW as well as sponsors that had nothing to do with the event or with
Kamailio project.
To conclude: maybe the event is well intended, I expect it is, but beside
giving an email address and posting a day+time, no other info about the
persons that are the main organizers, the location, the capacity and
acceptance rules, ... it is just trying to highlight some sponsors and
various persons, so instead of (hoping) its well intended scope, it looks
like advertising purposes by a bunch of opportunistic companies and people.
Cheers,
Daniel
On 04.10.18 16:54, Giovanni Maruzzelli wrote:
Hello friends and collegues,
A nice get together has been organized for evening Wednesday 10th at 7pm
The idea is to have drinks and chitchat about opensource telephony and
webrtc, and all opensource project founders, members, and practitioners are
invited.
Please join me, as distinguished participants too!
Check it out at
http://party.officering.com
(no animals has been harmed in this mail)
-giovanni
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OpenTelecom.IT
cell: +39 347 266 56 18
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