alex,

i appreciate your response.

perhaps you can give me your price list for kamailio services?

a la carte and table d'hote appreciated.

thank you, dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Alex Balashov abalashov@evaristesys.comwrote:

That's not going to happen for $200. Well, not in the developed world, anyway.

On 06/20/2012 01:47 PM, copycall wrote:

hello,

...

install and configure kamailio on a godaddy load-balanced cloud server and create a vpn with the customer site.

the objective is to use the customer's sip provider, which requires a static ip address, with a dhcp connection.

please contact me off-list if you are interested.

dave@copycall.com mailto:dave@copycall.com

thank you, dave

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alex,

you did.

how do i know what someone will work for, or the going rate unless i ask?

yes, you have your company on the business list.

and yes, we both want to maximize our utilty, cough...i mean keep our money in our pockets.

is the list designed for alex balashov to get rich?

there are dozens of list topics everyday, one item that you don't like because you think someone is stealing food off your table.

aren't you being a little presumptuous about who kamailio is for?

why don't you get a pair and give me a price?

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Alex Balashov abalashov@evaristesys.comwrote:

This isn't in the business list, for one. I just thought I'd help you out with the opening pricing strategy.

On 06/20/2012 02:36 PM, copycall wrote:

alex,

...

i appreciate your response.

perhaps you can give me your price list for kamailio services?

a la carte and table d'hote appreciated.

thank you, dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Alex Balashov <abalashov@evaristesys.com <mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.**comabalashov@evaristesys.com>> wrote:

That's not going to happen for $200. Well, not in the developed world, anyway.

On 06/20/2012 01:47 PM, copycall wrote:

   hello,

   install and configure kamailio on a godaddy load-balanced cloud
   server
   and create a vpn with the customer site.

   the objective is to use the customer's sip provider, which
   requires a
   static ip address, with a dhcp connection.

   please contact me off-list if you are interested.

   dave@copycall.com <mailto:dave@copycall.com>
   <mailto:dave@copycall.com <mailto:dave@copycall.com>>

   thank you,
   dave


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alex,

i don't fell mocked, but if you feel the need to mock me for cathartic relief then i have made one man's day a little easier.

and, if this is entertaining to the others, then the drinks are on me.

i have a business problem to solve and i will try to solve it the best way i can.

if it means kamailio developers and users are not sensitive to the needs of telephony service providers, then so be it.

however, i know that the vast majority of them are like me - trying their best to do their jobs.

if you want to offer your services to me, you are welcome.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alex Balashov abalashov@evaristesys.comwrote:

On 06/20/2012 02:51 PM, copycall wrote:

is the list designed for alex balashov to get rich?

...

You're right, all this talk of $200 and riches! It's beyond the wildest dreams of avarice!

Actually, this list is not designed for anyone to get rich. It has an explicit non-commercial policy. There is a separate Kamailio-Business list, and, as Ovidiu mentioned, the business directory.

That is the principal reason you're being mocked.

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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM, copycall dave@copycall.com wrote:

alex,

i don't fell mocked, but if you feel the need to mock me for cathartic relief then i have made one man's day a little easier.

and, if this is entertaining to the others, then the drinks are on me.

i have a business problem to solve and i will try to solve it the best way i can.

if it means kamailio developers and users are not sensitive to the needs of telephony service providers, then so be it.

however, i know that the vast majority of them are like me - trying their best to do their jobs.

if you want to offer your services to me, you are welcome.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alex Balashov abalashov@evaristesys.com wrote:

...

On 06/20/2012 02:51 PM, copycall wrote:

...

is the list designed for alex balashov to get rich?

You're right, all this talk of $200 and riches!  It's beyond the wildest dreams of avarice!

Actually, this list is not designed for anyone to get rich.  It has an explicit non-commercial policy.  There is a separate Kamailio-Business list, and, as Ovidiu mentioned, the business directory.

That is the principal reason you're being mocked.

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Hi dave,

You are not getting the point. nobody's against doing business. Infact doing business in "the open source way" is supposed be "service, support, consultancy" based rather than "product" based. Its quiet ok for you to hire someone who is active in kamailio list. But "kamailio-users" is not the place to talk business. We all have to support us and our families. But do it in business list please. I dont think people will show different response if your starting price was 2000$.

please mail in business list. And talk business there.

You cant open a bank account in their reception desk although bank wants to do business with you.

cheers.

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:36 PM, copycall wrote:

alex,

[snip]

a la carte and table d'hote appreciated.

thank you, dave [snip]

I know a great bakery that can offer dessert kamailio pricing. Generally, $6/portion starting.

With best regards,

Fred http://qxork.com

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:

On 06/20/2012 02:38 PM, Fred Posner wrote:

...

I know a great bakery that can offer dessert kamailio pricing. Generally, $6/portion starting.

What's the going rate for the Millenium Falcon cake these days? :-)

They start at $250 and increase by size. =)

Death Stars are much cheaper. =)

With best regards,

Fred http://qxork.com

On Jun 20, 2012, at 3:19 PM, David wrote:

Do the death stars you are selling have a patch for the small exhaust port vulnerability (BBY0) ?

David

On 2012-06-20 15:12, Fred Posner wrote:

...

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:

...

On 06/20/2012 02:38 PM, Fred Posner wrote:

...

I know a great bakery that can offer dessert kamailio pricing. Generally, $6/portion starting.

What's the going rate for the Millenium Falcon cake these days? :-)

They start at $250 and increase by size. =)

Death Stars are much cheaper. =)

We've patched the vulnerability but can back port on request. =)

With best regards,

Fred http://qxork.com

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:19 AM, David kamailio.org@spam.lublink.net wrote:

Do the death stars you are selling have a patch for the small exhaust port vulnerability (BBY0) ?

According to family guy, it was there because of aesthetic reasons. So don't mock it. It will come handy if you wanna win a classy artsy girl.

David

alex,

if it offended you, then i apologize for telling you to "get a pair".

well, i have received several offers to do what i am looking for, not all at my asking price, which you think is too low.

maybe some kamailio users don't consider themselves developers, but are still interested in trying something new.

i am willing to give someone an opportunity, including you.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Fred Posner fred@teamforrest.com wrote:

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:

...

On 06/20/2012 02:38 PM, Fred Posner wrote:

...

I know a great bakery that can offer dessert kamailio pricing. Generally, $6/portion starting.

What's the going rate for the Millenium Falcon cake these days? :-)

They start at $250 and increase by size. =)

Death Stars are much cheaper. =)

With best regards,

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david,

invariably, this happens on most open source projects and lists.

a few of developers begin to think all the roads lead through them.

and, they are out today to protect their turf

so, they start with the barber-shop membership, pseudo-licensing, and a separate list: the gatekeeping begins.

i have contacted some of the "developers" on the list over the last 18-24 months about other projects.

their pricing was outrageous for a small service provider and the specific project, other alternatives had to be found.

i concluded they were looking for the "home run" client, an att or verizon.

it's the same today, a small innocuous job elicits the mocking, compulsive rule citations, and in your case, a slighting of all the kamailio users who are not on the developer's list.

maybe you are right, maybe no one can do this job but a developer on the list. obviously, if this is the case, money will not be exchanged. however, not one developer has offered their services at any price. i will welcome these proposals.

maybe some users do not want to be on the developers list, or they are not ready, or have the time at the moment. but, maybe they want to do a small job to see where it leads, or for fun, or they need a few extra bucks.

i don't mind the possible risk in giving someone a chance.

regarding the pricing you mentioned, my job as a buyer is to get the best value for my money. but, thanks for your price list.

since several people have already offered their services, i think you are a bit misinformed about the competitive marketplace.

if your goal is to grow the number of service providers using kamailio, you have employed an odd strategy to implement it.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David david@styleflare.com wrote:

To chime in here,

On behalf of the professional developers on the list, it seems "a guy giving a try" may get you stated but someone with experience will get you there faster with a more predictable result.

I would think the going rate today for an experienced kamailio developer is about $150/hr US. its possible someone in a developing country on odesk will try and charge less like $60 USD which is the equivalent of someone here charging $1500/hr, but they most probably dont have 8-10 years experience, and also a very high probability they don't contribute to the community. Its also more than likely they wont finish the project or get you much past whats available to you for FREE on the WIKI.

You have to realize professionals charge professional rates, seeing that it was "Alex bashing", If you actually search the mailing list, Alex happens to answer many difficult questions for users free of charge. So if you think Alex is getting rich quick of this list, your obviously very fresh to the list.

Your certainly welcome to post a more specific question on the list like how come my server only processes 1 cps...

I am sure the community will be very eager to help.

Good luck on your project, if you do happen to succeed please inform the list, we would be happy to welcome your star developer into the community.

All the best.

On 6/20/12 3:28 PM, copycall wrote:

alex,

if it offended you, then i apologize for telling you to "get a pair".

well, i have received several offers to do what i am looking for, not all at my asking price, which you think is too low.

maybe some kamailio users don't consider themselves developers, but are still interested in trying something new.

i am willing to give someone an opportunity, including you.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Fred Posner fred@teamforrest.comwrote:

...

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:

...

On 06/20/2012 02:38 PM, Fred Posner wrote:

...

I know a great bakery that can offer dessert kamailio pricing. Generally, $6/portion starting.

What's the going rate for the Millenium Falcon cake these days? :-)

They start at $250 and increase by size. =)

Death Stars are much cheaper. =)

With best regards,

Fred http://qxork.com

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Sorry Daniel. I didn't see your message until I replied.

Understood.

On to 3.3... On Jun 20, 2012 6:27 PM, "David J" david@styleflare.com wrote:

Dave.

Understandably. But my point was missed if you think that anyone here is trying to monopolize on the list please do understand that they usually "contribute" to the project. Besides they are responsible for making kamailio what is today. All so you can benefit. To say that there rates are outrageous is an insult to the great software your going to use. You should look at the overall value that the software provides and calculate how much you saved by nit having to build it yourself for the last 10yrz yourself.

Once you put it in to perspective its really a very good value to use a seasoned developer on the list.

I am sure they can respect your budget but equally respect their time and contribution. On Jun 20, 2012 6:13 PM, "copycall" dave@copycall.com wrote:

...

david,

invariably, this happens on most open source projects and lists.

a few of developers begin to think all the roads lead through them.

and, they are out today to protect their turf

so, they start with the barber-shop membership, pseudo-licensing, and a separate list: the gatekeeping begins.

i have contacted some of the "developers" on the list over the last 18-24 months about other projects.

their pricing was outrageous for a small service provider and the specific project, other alternatives had to be found.

i concluded they were looking for the "home run" client, an att or verizon.

it's the same today, a small innocuous job elicits the mocking, compulsive rule citations, and in your case, a slighting of all the kamailio users who are not on the developer's list.

maybe you are right, maybe no one can do this job but a developer on the list. obviously, if this is the case, money will not be exchanged. however, not one developer has offered their services at any price. i will welcome these proposals.

maybe some users do not want to be on the developers list, or they are not ready, or have the time at the moment. but, maybe they want to do a small job to see where it leads, or for fun, or they need a few extra bucks.

i don't mind the possible risk in giving someone a chance.

regarding the pricing you mentioned, my job as a buyer is to get the best value for my money. but, thanks for your price list.

since several people have already offered their services, i think you are a bit misinformed about the competitive marketplace.

if your goal is to grow the number of service providers using kamailio, you have employed an odd strategy to implement it.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David david@styleflare.com wrote:

...

To chime in here,

On behalf of the professional developers on the list, it seems "a guy giving a try" may get you stated but someone with experience will get you there faster with a more predictable result.

I would think the going rate today for an experienced kamailio developer is about $150/hr US. its possible someone in a developing country on odesk will try and charge less like $60 USD which is the equivalent of someone here charging $1500/hr, but they most probably dont have 8-10 years experience, and also a very high probability they don't contribute to the community. Its also more than likely they wont finish the project or get you much past whats available to you for FREE on the WIKI.

You have to realize professionals charge professional rates, seeing that it was "Alex bashing", If you actually search the mailing list, Alex happens to answer many difficult questions for users free of charge. So if you think Alex is getting rich quick of this list, your obviously very fresh to the list.

Your certainly welcome to post a more specific question on the list like how come my server only processes 1 cps...

I am sure the community will be very eager to help.

Good luck on your project, if you do happen to succeed please inform the list, we would be happy to welcome your star developer into the community.

All the best.

On 6/20/12 3:28 PM, copycall wrote:

alex,

if it offended you, then i apologize for telling you to "get a pair".

well, i have received several offers to do what i am looking for, not all at my asking price, which you think is too low.

maybe some kamailio users don't consider themselves developers, but are still interested in trying something new.

i am willing to give someone an opportunity, including you.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Fred Posner fred@teamforrest.comwrote:

...

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:

...

On 06/20/2012 02:38 PM, Fred Posner wrote:

...

I know a great bakery that can offer dessert kamailio pricing. Generally, $6/portion starting.

What's the going rate for the Millenium Falcon cake these days? :-)

They start at $250 and increase by size. =)

Death Stars are much cheaper. =)

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Fred http://qxork.com

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Daniel-Constantin Mierla miconda@gmail.com writes:

Hello,

in my opinion this discussion got a bit too much off-topic in several messages, inducing inappropriate feeling about how this community behaves. Please everyone have in mind:

• every message here is sent to all subscribed people, it is not

between the participants of the discussion

• noisy and polluting content make people leave the forums and prevent

others joining if they read the archives

• a ranting discussion cannot have only one actor, if someone starts

such a potential topic, just avoid replying

• the community is all equal, there are no first, second a.s.o. class

categories, neither different worlds

• answer to the messages you can provide some valuable information,

the time is precious for everyone

• new comers are very welcome in the community, many of them in the

past turned later in people answering questions

• if a questions is not appropriate to the list, reply shortly saying

that and providing clear references where it has to be done, for that matter, the business mailing list is: http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/business The business directory web page was pointed in a previous message in this discussion (http://www.kamailio.org/w/business-directory/).

• unless a decision of all members in a defined group, speak only on

personal name, not on behalf of the project, at a whole or components of it such as developers, the business community around it or what so ever generic thing related to it

• don't escalate the situation, a 2-3-hour discussion between few

people is not overall relevant. We are around the world, some sleeping at the time you discuss or traveling. Wait at least for one working day for a proper chance to more people to get involved and clarify the delicate aspects

I'm not trying to pin-point anyone involved in the discussion, some messages were providing good information, and as I said, it is not one man game, but I hope that future such discussions will get only one reply on this list, redirecting to proper forums or web pages. All other remarks will have to be done privately, between interested people in the subject, as it was anyhow suggested in the first message.

After long days, even nights, there might be a lot of tension on the human side in every of us, SIP/Telecom is not an easy area, but for relaxation we can create a dedicated mailing list for ranting/off-topic/funny subjects. Users mailing list is mainly a knowledge base building forum.

Just to end, I expressed myself many times that the whole purpose of the project is to be useful, that pretty much translates in "business generator". I don't mind getting here occasionally messages that are touching business aspects, but they must not be pure advertising and they have to be still related to user community (a good example of such topic is kamailio-related job postings) - such messages should not be followed by public replies, but through direct contact. Of course, when such topics became frequent, we will create dedicated forum for them.

I hope this discussion thread ends here on this mailing list.

Cheers, Daniel

Hi Daniel,

Wonderful insights. and +1 for offtopic list :) . something like kamailio-cafe ?

Cheers.

On 6/20/12 9:28 PM, copycall wrote:

...

alex,

if it offended you, then i apologize for telling you to "get a pair".

well, i have received several offers to do what i am looking for, not all at my asking price, which you think is too low.

maybe some kamailio users don't consider themselves developers, but are still interested in trying something new.

i am willing to give someone an opportunity, including you.

dave

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Fred Posner <fred@teamforrest.com mailto:fred@teamforrest.com> wrote:

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:

> On 06/20/2012 02:38 PM, Fred Posner wrote:
>
>> I know a great bakery that can offer dessert kamailio pricing.
>> Generally, $6/portion starting.
>
> What's the going rate for the Millenium Falcon cake these days?  :-)
>

They start at $250 and increase by size. =)

Death Stars are much cheaper. =)

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Fred
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