Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
Cheers, Daniel
Daniel-Constantin Mierla writes:
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
a few years ago i had latency problems when running sems and mediaproxy in virtual machines (virtualbox), but i'm sure things have improved since then.
-- juha
Hi,
When there is no over contention of the physical machines that run your VM machines on all is ok.
However finding/ fixing issues around I/O is made harder by having virtual devices since all types of I/O are affected.
My preference is the same as yours.
Regards,
Bou
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Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
Cheers, Daniel
-- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 - http://asipto.com/u/kat
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Hi Daniel,
here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain.
At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow).
Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject.
Kind regards, Carsten
2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla miconda@gmail.com:
Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
Cheers, Daniel
-- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 - http://asipto.com/u/kat
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Hey Daniel,
We use Solaris virtualisation and it works great. The zones (VMs per se) are lightweight, easy to administer and rock solid.
btw, common misconceptions are that you need sun (oracle) hardware and that the os is not free. These are both false.
cheers Jason
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Carsten Bock carsten@ng-voice.com wrote:
Hi Daniel,
here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain.
At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow).
Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject.
Kind regards, Carsten
2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla miconda@gmail.com:
Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no
problems,
but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is
more
pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
Cheers, Daniel
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Jason, are you using Solaris only as host or also as guest OS?
regards Klaus
On 28.08.2012 10:33, Jason Penton wrote:
Hey Daniel,
We use Solaris virtualisation and it works great. The zones (VMs per se) are lightweight, easy to administer and rock solid.
btw, common misconceptions are that you need sun (oracle) hardware and that the os is not free. These are both false.
cheers Jason
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Carsten Bock <carsten@ng-voice.com mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com> wrote:
Hi Daniel, here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain. At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow). Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject. Kind regards, Carsten 2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@gmail.com <mailto:miconda@gmail.com>>: > Hello, > > just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual > systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, > but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more > pressure from the market to go everything virtual. > > So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy > and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, > conference rooms and IVRs. > > Any strong comments pro or against? > > What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments? > > Cheers, > Daniel > > -- > Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com > http://twitter.com/#!/miconda <http://twitter.com/#%21/miconda> - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda > Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 - http://asipto.com/u/kat > > > _______________________________________________ > SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) - sr-users mailing list > sr-users@lists.sip-router.org <mailto:sr-users@lists.sip-router.org> > http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-users -- Carsten Bock CEO (Geschäftsführer) ng-voice GmbH Schomburgstr. 80 D-22767 Hamburg / Germany http://www.ng-voice.com mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com <mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com> Office +49 40 34927219 <tel:%2B49%2040%2034927219> Fax +49 40 34927220 <tel:%2B49%2040%2034927220> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Registergericht: Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRB 120189 Geschäftsführer: Carsten Bock Ust-ID: DE279344284 Hier finden Sie unsere handelsrechtlichen Pflichtangaben: http://www.ng-voice.com/imprint/ _______________________________________________ SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) - sr-users mailing list sr-users@lists.sip-router.org <mailto:sr-users@lists.sip-router.org> http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-usersThis email is subject to the disclaimer of Smile Communications (PTY) Ltd. at http://www.smilecoms.com/disclaimer
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Hey Klaus,
We use solaris as host AND guest ;)
solaris is slightly different to normal VM systems in that you can't really load up "any OS" into the guest. There are branded zones that support a few flavours of linux (ala redhat, etc). However, in our experience the Solaris OS is really solid for all we need.
you can read up alot here - http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/solaris/solaris11/overview...
Also there is some really nice network virtualisation you can do too.
Cheers Jason
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Klaus Darilion < klaus.mailinglists@pernau.at> wrote:
Jason, are you using Solaris only as host or also as guest OS?
regards Klaus
On 28.08.2012 10:33, Jason Penton wrote:
Hey Daniel,
We use Solaris virtualisation and it works great. The zones (VMs per se) are lightweight, easy to administer and rock solid.
btw, common misconceptions are that you need sun (oracle) hardware and that the os is not free. These are both false.
cheers Jason
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Carsten Bock <carsten@ng-voice.com mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com> wrote:
Hi Daniel, here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain. At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow). Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject. Kind regards, Carsten 2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@gmail.com <mailto:miconda@gmail.com>>: > Hello, > > just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms onvirtual > systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, > but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more > pressure from the market to go everything virtual. > > So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy > and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, > conference rooms and IVRs. > > Any strong comments pro or against? > > What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments? > > Cheers, > Daniel > > -- > Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com > http://twitter.com/#!/miconda <http://twitter.com/#%21/**micondahttp://twitter.com/#%21/miconda>
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Hello,
On 8/28/12 10:33 AM, Jason Penton wrote:
Hey Daniel,
We use Solaris virtualisation and it works great. The zones (VMs per se) are lightweight, easy to administer and rock solid.
btw, common misconceptions are that you need sun (oracle) hardware and that the os is not free. These are both false.
so you use opensolaris, I guess, and then it can be any intel/amd arch server (e.g., dell, hp)?
Cheers, Daniel
cheers Jason
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Carsten Bock <carsten@ng-voice.com mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com> wrote:
Hi Daniel, here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain. At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow). Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject. Kind regards, Carsten 2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@gmail.com <mailto:miconda@gmail.com>>: > Hello, > > just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual > systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, > but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more > pressure from the market to go everything virtual. > > So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy > and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, > conference rooms and IVRs. > > Any strong comments pro or against? > > What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments? > > Cheers, > Daniel > > -- > Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com > http://twitter.com/#!/miconda <http://twitter.com/#%21/miconda> - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda > Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 - http://asipto.com/u/kat > > > _______________________________________________ > SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) - sr-users mailing list > sr-users@lists.sip-router.org <mailto:sr-users@lists.sip-router.org> > http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-users -- Carsten Bock CEO (Geschäftsführer) ng-voice GmbH Schomburgstr. 80 D-22767 Hamburg / Germany http://www.ng-voice.com mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com <mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com> Office +49 40 34927219 <tel:%2B49%2040%2034927219> Fax +49 40 34927220 <tel:%2B49%2040%2034927220> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Registergericht: Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRB 120189 Geschäftsführer: Carsten Bock Ust-ID: DE279344284 Hier finden Sie unsere handelsrechtlichen Pflichtangaben: http://www.ng-voice.com/imprint/ _______________________________________________ SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) - sr-users mailing list sr-users@lists.sip-router.org <mailto:sr-users@lists.sip-router.org> http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-usersThis email is subject to the disclaimer of Smile Communications (PTY) Ltd. at http://www.smilecoms.com/disclaimer
No. We use solaris11. But yes on any hardware On Aug 28, 2012 5:56 PM, "Daniel-Constantin Mierla" miconda@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
On 8/28/12 10:33 AM, Jason Penton wrote:
Hey Daniel,
We use Solaris virtualisation and it works great. The zones (VMs per se) are lightweight, easy to administer and rock solid.
btw, common misconceptions are that you need sun (oracle) hardware and that the os is not free. These are both false.
so you use opensolaris, I guess, and then it can be any intel/amd arch server (e.g., dell, hp)?
Cheers, Daniel
cheers Jason
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Carsten Bock carsten@ng-voice.comwrote:
Hi Daniel,
here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain.
At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow).
Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject.
Kind regards, Carsten
2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla miconda@gmail.com:
Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no
problems,
but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is
more
pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems,
proxy
and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
Cheers, Daniel
-- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 -
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On 8/28/12 6:09 PM, Jason Penton wrote:
No. We use solaris11.
IIRC, solaris 11 was free for evaluation purposes, has that changed?
BTW, since mainstream opensolaris was discontinued, anyone knows what is the best derivative (if that is at all)?
Cheers, Daniel
But yes on any hardware
On Aug 28, 2012 5:56 PM, "Daniel-Constantin Mierla" <miconda@gmail.com mailto:miconda@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, On 8/28/12 10:33 AM, Jason Penton wrote:Hey Daniel, We use Solaris virtualisation and it works great. The zones (VMs per se) are lightweight, easy to administer and rock solid. btw, common misconceptions are that you need sun (oracle) hardware and that the os is not free. These are both false.so you use opensolaris, I guess, and then it can be any intel/amd arch server (e.g., dell, hp)? Cheers, Danielcheers Jason On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Carsten Bock <carsten@ng-voice.com <mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com>> wrote: Hi Daniel, here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain. At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow). Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject. Kind regards, Carsten 2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@gmail.com <mailto:miconda@gmail.com>>: > Hello, > > just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual > systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, > but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more > pressure from the market to go everything virtual. > > So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy > and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, > conference rooms and IVRs. > > Any strong comments pro or against? > > What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments? > > Cheers, > Daniel > > -- > Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com > http://twitter.com/#!/miconda <http://twitter.com/#%21/miconda> - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda > Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 - http://asipto.com/u/kat > > > _______________________________________________ > SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) - sr-users mailing list > sr-users@lists.sip-router.org <mailto:sr-users@lists.sip-router.org> > http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-users -- Carsten Bock CEO (Geschäftsführer) ng-voice GmbH Schomburgstr. 80 D-22767 Hamburg / Germany http://www.ng-voice.com mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com <mailto:carsten@ng-voice.com> Office +49 40 34927219 <tel:%2B49%2040%2034927219> Fax +49 40 34927220 <tel:%2B49%2040%2034927220> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Registergericht: Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRB 120189 Geschäftsführer: Carsten Bock Ust-ID: DE279344284 Hier finden Sie unsere handelsrechtlichen Pflichtangaben: http://www.ng-voice.com/imprint/ _______________________________________________ SIP Express Router (SER) and Kamailio (OpenSER) - sr-users mailing list sr-users@lists.sip-router.org <mailto:sr-users@lists.sip-router.org> http://lists.sip-router.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sr-users This email is subject to the disclaimer of Smile Communications (PTY) Ltd. athttp://www.smilecoms.com/disclaimer-- Daniel-Constantin Mierla -http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda <http://twitter.com/#%21/miconda> -http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 -http://asipto.com/u/katThis email is subject to the disclaimer of Smile Communications (PTY) Ltd. at http://www.smilecoms.com/disclaimer
Hi Daniel,
not evaluation, but if you use it in production then you are required to buy a OS support contract. We however have standardised on Sun hardware which includes support for Solaris 11 in our production environment. So, yes a good point you make if you are going to be using in production on non-sun hardware you will need to pay Oracle ;(
cheers Jason
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@gmail.com
wrote:
On 8/28/12 6:09 PM, Jason Penton wrote:
No. We use solaris11.
IIRC, solaris 11 was free for evaluation purposes, has that changed?
BTW, since mainstream opensolaris was discontinued, anyone knows what is the best derivative (if that is at all)?
Cheers, Daniel
But yes on any hardware On Aug 28, 2012 5:56 PM, "Daniel-Constantin Mierla" miconda@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
On 8/28/12 10:33 AM, Jason Penton wrote:
Hey Daniel,
We use Solaris virtualisation and it works great. The zones (VMs per se) are lightweight, easy to administer and rock solid.
btw, common misconceptions are that you need sun (oracle) hardware and that the os is not free. These are both false.
so you use opensolaris, I guess, and then it can be any intel/amd arch server (e.g., dell, hp)?
Cheers, Daniel
cheers Jason
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Carsten Bock carsten@ng-voice.comwrote:
Hi Daniel,
here's from my personal experience: Our setup at ng-voice is a little weird sometimes: We've rented some virtual servers at a german provider (who uses Xen). On these virtual servers we've installed OpenVz, which for us is absolutely great, if you are just working with Linux-Servers. While Xen is a rather complete virtualization, OpenVz is lightweight and comes in handy, if you just want to logically separate servers. We've got each IMS component (P-/I-/S-CSCF, HSS, Application-Servers, Databases) running on a dedicated OpenVz Container, which is really great. We've even got a CentOs-Container running on a Debian OpenVz, which is started "on-demand" in order to build RPM-Packages. With OpenVz you can even move Containers from one host to another, theoretically with zero downtime (doesn't work with SEMS, don't know about other software). For our IMS-setup, we work with RTP-Relaying, which works great within virtualization, i cannot complain.
At another customer (a fibre provider in Germany), we're running all the infrastructure on Xen-only. An infrastructure provider takes care of the administration, but those servers run poorly (RTP-Relaying is okay but everything else is really slow).
Conclusion for me: VoIP on virtual servers can work great, but the virtualization infrastructure needs to be administered properly which may not be an easy task, if you are new in this subject.
Kind regards, Carsten
2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla miconda@gmail.com:
Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no
problems,
but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately
is more
pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems,
proxy
and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
Cheers, Daniel
-- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 -
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ng-voice GmbH Schomburgstr. 80 D-22767 Hamburg / Germany
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I haven't heard anyone using Asterisk in large production systems in other virtualization than OpenVZ. Asterisk depends a lot on timers and these aren't reliable enough in Vmware and Xen when putting load on the media server.
I would love to hear about a successful implementation :-) on other platforms but so far I haven't. While waiting, OpenVZ works great.
/O
From my previous experience, I can't say, it's a correct.
I'm using asterisk (over 3 years) and kamailio (about 1 year) in a *production* environment using Xen and I have almost no problems with timers (they were previously with 100Hz), but I have experienced A LOT of problems with asterisk or any voip-related projects using OpenVZ. So from my own perspective, OpenVZ (which is a more cheaper) is only suitable for hosting (web or such of tasks) or any non-realtime tasks. Maybe it was caused by incorrect settings on host (which was out of my control). Maybe I'm wrong but to me, Xen is better vs OpenVZ :-)
2012/8/28 Olle E. Johansson oej@edvina.net
I haven't heard anyone using Asterisk in large production systems in other virtualization than OpenVZ. Asterisk depends a lot on timers and these aren't reliable enough in Vmware and Xen when putting load on the media server.
I would love to hear about a successful implementation :-) on other platforms but so far I haven't. While waiting, OpenVZ works great.
/O
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28 aug 2012 kl. 12:31 skrev "Konstantin M." evilzluk@gmail.com:
From my previous experience, I can't say, it's a correct.
I'm using asterisk (over 3 years) and kamailio (about 1 year) in a *production* environment using Xen and I have almost no problems with timers (they were previously with 100Hz), but I have experienced A LOT of problems with asterisk or any voip-related projects using OpenVZ. So from my own perspective, OpenVZ (which is a more cheaper) is only suitable for hosting (web or such of tasks) or any non-realtime tasks. Maybe it was caused by incorrect settings on host (which was out of my control). Maybe I'm wrong but to me, Xen is better vs OpenVZ :-)
That's weird. I've been using OpenVZ in productions sites handling 1500 concurrent calls without any issues. For years.
I guess it's a matter of personal preferences. Good to hear that you have it working in Xen!
/O
2012/8/28 Olle E. Johansson oej@edvina.net I haven't heard anyone using Asterisk in large production systems in other virtualization than OpenVZ. Asterisk depends a lot on timers and these aren't reliable enough in Vmware and Xen when putting load on the media server.
I would love to hear about a successful implementation :-) on other platforms but so far I haven't. While waiting, OpenVZ works great.
/O
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Same preference-- especially when call load gets high or there is conferencing / call recording.
---Fred
On Aug 28, 2012, at 2:19 AM, Daniel-Constantin Mierla miconda@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
Cheers, Daniel
-- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda Kamailio Advanced Training, Berlin, Nov 5-8, 2012 - http://asipto.com/u/kat
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2012/8/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla miconda@gmail.com:
Hello,
just asking to see your experience deploying sip platforms on virtual systems. So far I was running Kamailio in virtual machines and no problems, but I insisted that media servers to be on physical machines. Lately is more pressure from the market to go everything virtual.
So the question is more about having everything on virtual systems, proxy and media server, where the media server can deal with transcoding, conference rooms and IVRs.
Any strong comments pro or against?
What is your preferred virtualization system for such deployments?
My company uses XEN virtual servers for various Kamailio and Rtp-Proxy deployments with high traffic. All goes really ok if the host has enough CPU and RAM, no latency problems at all.
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