Thank you all for your comments.
After having researched documents and history from both iptel and OpenSER, I could not resist a feeling that iptel is somewhat lagging in their intension to go forward with SER to the direction that it had headed to.
Naturally by huge changes in key members and contributors, may it lead to changes in business and philosophy, as Daniel mentioned more factually.
We decided to switch to OpenSER while we are in testing phase and we have two key questions that we'd like to here from the experts.
1. Is there any comtatibility issues out there between SER and OpenSER mixed infrastructure; due to differences in functionality between SER and OpenSER?
2. Hardware and OS question regarding OpenSER; Is there any known obstacles over Fedora Core; 2.6.12-1.1387_FC4smp SMP version running on dual Athlon 64?
Again, thank you all in advance.
John K.
I will add few remarks related to project's policy and evolution.
OpenSER is driven by a board with members from different companies which will ensure project's independence and survival when one company changes its interest in the public project. Also, the project has a clear roadmap, major changes being discussed on development mailing list. People leading the project are two of the five core developers of SER and four main contributors of SER.
The release policy is guided by changes and it is about one major release every 6-8 months. This type of releasing allow easy migration from older version to new one, otherwise the administrators will have nightmares to update to totally new configuration and database structure
- small steps guarantee better results when dealing with production
environments.
The contributions are accepted if they follow a recognized standard from IETF/ITU/ETSI or other standardization groups, or is general interesting feature. No company can stop it for private interest.
In this way we are able to implement geographic distributed VoIP platforms with the latest OpenSER, have a significant number of database types supported as backend via the unixodbc module in the stable version, these and may others only from third party contributions. Other important scalability features added in about one year of OpenSER: number of location entries which can be managed by OpenSER compiled with default flags grew from about 4000 entries as it was when it forked from SER to about 120 000, and now this number scales linear with available memory (for 120000 online users, OpenSER uses about 40MB memory, while the old architecture required about 256MB). I am sure you can find more on project's web site ...
Cheers, Daniel
On 07/16/06 13:06, Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Well, trying to be a bit objective:
- It depends on your needs
- OpenSER has a more aggressive release policy (more newer features),
meaning that openser contains more functions and modules than ser 3. Latest SER is 0.9.x and is extremely stable 4. Openser 0.9.x and ser 0.9.x are (almost) close to identical. From 0.10 they start to diverge. SER 0.10 is not yet released, OpenSER has reached 1.1 5. The type of features/functionality included in SER and openser are likely to be quite different 6. OpenSER is currently better documented in the latest version
Have a look at the onsip.org Getting Started guide for more detail on history. g-)
Chahn John Kim wrote:
I am a SER starter. I have seen many subjects related to Openser.
Can someone shed a light on what are the differences between these? And even some insights to suggest which may be better than the other?
We are planing to start business service shortly and we appreciate any inputs on which SIP server infrastructure provides better performance and scalability.
Thank you in advance.
John K.
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
On 07/19/06 21:14, Chahn John Kim wrote:
Thank you all for your comments.
After having researched documents and history from both iptel and OpenSER, I could not resist a feeling that iptel is somewhat lagging in their intension to go forward with SER to the direction that it had headed to.
Naturally by huge changes in key members and contributors, may it lead to changes in business and philosophy, as Daniel mentioned more factually.
We decided to switch to OpenSER while we are in testing phase and we have two key questions that we'd like to here from the experts.
- Is there any comtatibility issues out there between SER and OpenSER mixed infrastructure; due to differences in functionality between SER and OpenSER?
Both speak SIP so there should not be any interoperability issues. You can chain either/both of them with any SIP compliant application or device.
- Hardware and OS question regarding OpenSER; Is there any known obstacles over Fedora Core; 2.6.12-1.1387_FC4smp SMP version running on dual Athlon 64?
Fedora and 64b are fine for OpenSER/SER.
Daniel
Again, thank you all in advance.
John K.
I will add few remarks related to project's policy and evolution.
OpenSER is driven by a board with members from different companies which will ensure project's independence and survival when one company changes its interest in the public project. Also, the project has a clear roadmap, major changes being discussed on development mailing list. People leading the project are two of the five core developers of SER and four main contributors of SER.
The release policy is guided by changes and it is about one major release every 6-8 months. This type of releasing allow easy migration from older version to new one, otherwise the administrators will have nightmares to update to totally new configuration and database structure
- small steps guarantee better results when dealing with production
environments.
The contributions are accepted if they follow a recognized standard from IETF/ITU/ETSI or other standardization groups, or is general interesting feature. No company can stop it for private interest.
In this way we are able to implement geographic distributed VoIP platforms with the latest OpenSER, have a significant number of database types supported as backend via the unixodbc module in the stable version, these and may others only from third party contributions. Other important scalability features added in about one year of OpenSER: number of location entries which can be managed by OpenSER compiled with default flags grew from about 4000 entries as it was when it forked from SER to about 120 000, and now this number scales linear with available memory (for 120000 online users, OpenSER uses about 40MB memory, while the old architecture required about 256MB). I am sure you can find more on project's web site ...
Cheers, Daniel
On 07/16/06 13:06, Greger V. Teigre wrote:
Well, trying to be a bit objective:
- It depends on your needs
- OpenSER has a more aggressive release policy (more newer features),
meaning that openser contains more functions and modules than ser 3. Latest SER is 0.9.x and is extremely stable 4. Openser 0.9.x and ser 0.9.x are (almost) close to identical. From 0.10 they start to diverge. SER 0.10 is not yet released, OpenSER has reached 1.1 5. The type of features/functionality included in SER and openser are likely to be quite different 6. OpenSER is currently better documented in the latest version
Have a look at the onsip.org Getting Started guide for more detail on history. g-)
Chahn John Kim wrote:
I am a SER starter. I have seen many subjects related to Openser.
Can someone shed a light on what are the differences between these? And even some insights to suggest which may be better than the other?
We are planing to start business service shortly and we appreciate any inputs on which SIP server infrastructure provides better performance and scalability.
Thank you in advance.
John K.
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
At 19:17 20/07/2006, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
On 07/19/06 21:14, Chahn John Kim wrote:
Thank you all for your comments.
After having researched documents and history from both iptel and OpenSER, I could not resist a feeling that iptel is somewhat lagging in their intension to go forward with SER to the direction that it had headed to.
I am wondering if you can provide specifics about where SER was headed to and why you think it is not going forward there.
-jiri
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
My point was at the word "lagging" not too much on the direction. Last updated dates on some key documents, for instance. Also I happened to witness( this was mentioned by other list members before) a page that had been contaminated with html links implicating adult web sites; which I had no choice but regarding as an evidence of lack of proper administration after change in ownership.
On 07/19/06 21:14, Chahn John Kim wrote:
Thank you all for your comments.
After having researched documents and history from both iptel and OpenSER, I could not resist a feeling that iptel is somewhat lagging in their intension to go forward with SER to the direction that it had
headed to.
I am wondering if you can provide specifics about where SER was headed to and why you think it is not going forward there.
-jiri
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
At 06:45 28/07/2006, John Kim wrote:
My point was at the word "lagging" not too much on the direction. Last updated dates on some key documents, for instance. Also I happened to witness( this was mentioned by other list members before) a page that had been contaminated with html links implicating adult web sites;
Hi John,
I would appreciate if you sent me such a page. (for sake of its removal, just to be clear :-))
which I had no choice but regarding as an evidence of lack of proper administration after change in ownership.
website ownership has not changed since its inception -- it appears that your choice has been misguided by some rumours.
I admit though, that documentation overhaul is overdue.
-jiri
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
Hi all,
I'm currently working on a new deployment where we are planning on using a SIP router instead of a system like Asterisk or SipX for our call routing. I am trying to understand the pros/cons of using SER or OpenSER when this thread came up on the SER list. I'm interested to hear what the OpenSER side of things are.
Thanks, Max
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jiri Kuthan jiri@iptel.org Date: Jul 28, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: RE: [Serusers] SER or OpenSER To: Ser List Serusers@lists.iptel.org
At 06:45 28/07/2006, John Kim wrote:
My point was at the word "lagging" not too much on the direction. Last updated dates on some key documents, for instance. Also I happened to witness( this was mentioned by other list members before) a page that had been contaminated with html links implicating adult web sites;
Hi John,
I would appreciate if you sent me such a page. (for sake of its removal, just to be clear :-))
which I had no choice but regarding as an evidence of lack of proper administration after change in ownership.
website ownership has not changed since its inception -- it appears that your choice has been misguided by some rumours.
I admit though, that documentation overhaul is overdue.
-jiri
-- Jiri Kuthan http://iptel.org/~jiri/
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