Hello to all the members.
As user of the project and responsible of an implementation of it in a production large scale environment. it is a little bit worrying reade terms as "conflicting interests" related to project in the news published today.
According to this new change within the project, which I feel go further than renaming it, what could the board members to comment about the RoadMap, philosophy and near future of Kamailio (Formerly known as OpenSER)?
One of the biggest warranties that users have felt ourselves is exactly the support and knowledge from the founders and leaders, and it would be very worrying not been able to count with it anymore.
Thanks in advance for your attention, and I apologize in advance if this question is out off topic.
Best regards.
Sergio Gutiérrez.
I understand the possible need for a name change, but find it a little tragic in light of the fact that in my opinion, OpenSER as a namesake was just starting to gain brand recognition and marketing traction that could be used to further the activities of those of us who specialise in deploying it, or selling solutions based on it.
It's like Ethereal/Wireshark; it was years before everyone could finally stop saying "Wireshark (formerly Ethereal)." It's going to be the same with OpenSER.
Sergio Gutierrez wrote:
Hello to all the members.
As user of the project and responsible of an implementation of it in a production large scale environment. it is a little bit worrying reade terms as "conflicting interests" related to project in the news published today.
According to this new change within the project, which I feel go further than renaming it, what could the board members to comment about the RoadMap, philosophy and near future of Kamailio (Formerly known as OpenSER)?
One of the biggest warranties that users have felt ourselves is exactly the support and knowledge from the founders and leaders, and it would be very worrying not been able to count with it anymore.
Thanks in advance for your attention, and I apologize in advance if this question is out off topic.
Best regards.
Sergio Gutiérrez.
Users mailing list Users@lists.kamailio.org http://lists.openser.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
On 07/28/08 19:19, Alex Balashov wrote:
I understand the possible need for a name change, but find it a little tragic in light of the fact that in my opinion, OpenSER as a namesake was just starting to gain brand recognition and marketing traction that could be used to further the activities of those of us who specialise in deploying it, or selling solutions based on it.
Everyone agrees that openser was becoming an important brand and we believe it could be the main reason we got targeted for name conflicts and trademarks. In such situation is hard to take a decision in a way or another. The one with the lowest financial and resources investment seemed to be renaming.
Things like this happened recently with Gaim which became Pidgin, Zaptel drivers which became DAHDI. Such situation looks like being inevitable. To avoid any suppositions, this situation has nothing to do with the old project, from where openser forked some time ago.
The companies and developers around the project will continue to support and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other changes.
Cheers, Daniel
Signing now: Co-Founder Kamailio (formerly OpenSER) :-)
It's like Ethereal/Wireshark; it was years before everyone could finally stop saying "Wireshark (formerly Ethereal)." It's going to be the same with OpenSER.
Sergio Gutierrez wrote:
Hello to all the members.
As user of the project and responsible of an implementation of it in a production large scale environment. it is a little bit worrying reade terms as "conflicting interests" related to project in the news published today.
According to this new change within the project, which I feel go further than renaming it, what could the board members to comment about the RoadMap, philosophy and near future of Kamailio (Formerly known as OpenSER)?
One of the biggest warranties that users have felt ourselves is exactly the support and knowledge from the founders and leaders, and it would be very worrying not been able to count with it anymore.
Thanks in advance for your attention, and I apologize in advance if this question is out off topic.
Best regards.
Sergio Gutiérrez.
Users mailing list Users@lists.kamailio.org http://lists.openser.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Everyone agrees that openser was becoming an important brand and we believe it could be the main reason we got targeted for name conflicts and trademarks. In such situation is hard to take a decision in a way or another. The one with the lowest financial and resources investment seemed to be renaming.
This is definitely understandable. To be clear, I was not questioning the rationale, and I don't think it serves the project well to engage in a large-scale panic referendum on this move in light of that.
Personally, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I am not sure that "Kamailio" was the best choice for a replacement name. It is hard to remember to spell and sounds overly exotic, in stark contrast to the no-nonsense technical professionalism and humourless objectivity commanded by a word like "OpenSER." Kamailio sounds more like something full of non-genetically modified soy, maybe with some goat cheese, organic, vegan, and Silicon Valley / "VoIP 2.0" - sort of like the "Yate" B2BUA. I think it's more likely that staunchly conservative telco executives are going to gloss over something like that than something more imposing and Anglo-accessible.
But that's just one person's impression. At any rate, it does not change the fact that the nomenclature change was necessary. It's just nomenclature, after all; I don't like "Alex" all that much either, but hopefully it does not do much to summarise the content of my individuality to others in a professional setting or otherwise. :)
I know that I ran into name issues with OpenSER on a number of occasions. One, everyone got it confused with IPTel's SER and wanted to know the difference, and two, there is a vendor of expensive predictive dialing/telemarketing hardware called SER. In the rather unlikely event that you end up doing work for an IT-centric mortgage company in the US, as I did, these two worlds somehow converge. :)
The companies and developers around the project will continue to support and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other changes.
That is an enormous relief to hear authoritatively!
Best of luck, and long live Kamailio.
-- Alex
On Monday 28 July 2008, Alex Balashov wrote:
[..] Personally, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I am not sure that "Kamailio" was the best choice for a replacement name. It is hard to remember to spell and sounds overly exotic, in stark contrast to the no-nonsense technical professionalism and humourless objectivity commanded by a word like "OpenSER." Kamailio sounds more like something full of non-genetically modified soy, maybe with some goat cheese, organic, vegan, and Silicon Valley / "VoIP 2.0" - sort of like the "Yate" B2BUA. I think it's more likely that staunchly conservative telco executives are going to gloss over something like that than something more imposing and Anglo-accessible.
Hi Alex,
nice associations. :-) In constrast to the old one is the new name probably really exotic. But its surprisingly hard to find a name with free domains, that lacks trademarks and so on. And after all, if you look at "akamai", then hawaian words are not that rare in the telco world..
The companies and developers around the project will continue to support and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other changes.
Henning
On Mon, July 28, 2008 1:59 pm, Henning Westerholt wrote:
nice associations. :-) In constrast to the old one is the new name probably really exotic. But its surprisingly hard to find a name with free domains, that lacks trademarks and so on.
This is very true. Even when things aren't gobbled up as trade names, domains tend to be viciously hoarded.
And after all, if you look at "akamai", then hawaian words are not that rare in the telco world..
True, but Akamai is a "web economy"-oriented company. These kinds of names are more kosher in hyper-caffinated, Hawaiian shirt-wearing Silicon Valley "Web 2.0" market spaces. Eccentric, eclectic and unusual-sounding names derived from foreign words, including from African and far Eastern or Pacific indigenous languages or locales, have grown to be accepted and fashionable in the web startup world.
The telecom world, on the other hand, is mostly full of polished, slicked-back, surly (or alternately, oily) conservative types in the executive and managerial corps, generally of the 40+ age demographic. Their lexicon and buzzword bingo formula is very different -- one into which "OpenSER" fits quite nicely.
-- Alex
See also "wiki" for another cool Hawaiian word.
Alex Balashov wrote:
On Mon, July 28, 2008 1:59 pm, Henning Westerholt wrote:
nice associations. :-) In constrast to the old one is the new name probably really exotic. But its surprisingly hard to find a name with free domains, that lacks trademarks and so on.
This is very true. Even when things aren't gobbled up as trade names, domains tend to be viciously hoarded.
And after all, if you look at "akamai", then hawaian words are not that rare in the telco world..
True, but Akamai is a "web economy"-oriented company. These kinds of names are more kosher in hyper-caffinated, Hawaiian shirt-wearing Silicon Valley "Web 2.0" market spaces. Eccentric, eclectic and unusual-sounding names derived from foreign words, including from African and far Eastern or Pacific indigenous languages or locales, have grown to be accepted and fashionable in the web startup world.
The telecom world, on the other hand, is mostly full of polished, slicked-back, surly (or alternately, oily) conservative types in the executive and managerial corps, generally of the 40+ age demographic. Their lexicon and buzzword bingo formula is very different -- one into which "OpenSER" fits quite nicely.
-- Alex
Hey, it's an <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akamai">akamai</A> name:-) I only wish I could pronounce it. /a
Alex Balashov wrote:
Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Everyone agrees that openser was becoming an important brand and we believe it could be the main reason we got targeted for name conflicts and trademarks. In such situation is hard to take a decision in a way or another. The one with the lowest financial and resources investment seemed to be renaming.
This is definitely understandable. To be clear, I was not questioning the rationale, and I don't think it serves the project well to engage in a large-scale panic referendum on this move in light of that.
Personally, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, I am not sure that "Kamailio" was the best choice for a replacement name. It is hard to remember to spell and sounds overly exotic, in stark contrast to the no-nonsense technical professionalism and humourless objectivity commanded by a word like "OpenSER." Kamailio sounds more like something full of non-genetically modified soy, maybe with some goat cheese, organic, vegan, and Silicon Valley / "VoIP 2.0" - sort of like the "Yate" B2BUA. I think it's more likely that staunchly conservative telco executives are going to gloss over something like that than something more imposing and Anglo-accessible.
But that's just one person's impression. At any rate, it does not change the fact that the nomenclature change was necessary. It's just nomenclature, after all; I don't like "Alex" all that much either, but hopefully it does not do much to summarise the content of my individuality to others in a professional setting or otherwise. :)
I know that I ran into name issues with OpenSER on a number of occasions. One, everyone got it confused with IPTel's SER and wanted to know the difference, and two, there is a vendor of expensive predictive dialing/telemarketing hardware called SER. In the rather unlikely event that you end up doing work for an IT-centric mortgage company in the US, as I did, these two worlds somehow converge. :)
The companies and developers around the project will continue to support and develop the project as before. The new major release will be with the new name and version 1.4.0 -- simply is just a renaming, no other changes.
That is an enormous relief to hear authoritatively!
Best of luck, and long live Kamailio.
-- Alex
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