29 Apr
2014
29 Apr
'14
7:18 a.m.
Hello,
this morning were reported over 100 "excessive or fatal bounces" for
delivery from mailing list to yahoo, hotmail/live (and few other that
might be hosted) email addresses. This is unusual high and I spotted
several addresses that were active recently and unlikely to have their
email address gone.
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and potential fixes? I guess
yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of
mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
Cheers,
Daniel
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29 Apr
29 Apr
7:51 a.m.
New subject: OT: Excessive or fatal bounces for yahoo, hotmail, ...
On Tuesday 29 April 2014 09:18:41 Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and potential
fixes? I guess
yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of
mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
It's DMARC at work:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
The subejct says it all:
"Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's"
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8:21 a.m.
On 29/04/14 09:51, Daniel Tryba wrote:
On Tuesday 29 April 2014 09:18:41 Daniel-Constantin
Mierla wrote:
Thanks, the possible solutions found so far:
1) upgrade mailman to 2.1.16 which has an option to replace From header
with the address of the mailing list. The really big inconvenient is
that all emails will be handled like this, losing the sender
information, no matter is from yahoo/hotmail or not. Another
inconvenient is that it might require manual installation, since 2.1.16
is not packaged on old debian stable, adding overhead in maintenance ...
unless some good sysadmin around here provides some backports
2) ask those people with yahoo/hotmail/... to use different email provider
Combined, yahoo+hotmail account for a bit more than 200 addresses on
sr-users.
What people here prefer? Any other solution?
Cheers,
Daniel
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Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com
http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and
potential fixes? I guess
yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of
mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
It's DMARC at work:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
The subejct says it all:
"Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's"
12:01 p.m.
New subject: [sr-dev] OT: Excessive or fatal bounces for yahoo, hotmail, ...
On Tuesday 29 April 2014, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
1) upgrade mailman to 2.1.16 which has an option to
replace From header
with the address of the mailing list.
Please don't. Mailing list mangling the reply-to header are already worse
enough, mangling the From makes it unbearable.
2) ask those people with yahoo/hotmail/... to use
different email provider
Combined, yahoo+hotmail account for a bit more than
200 addresses on
sr-users.
But with about 8 posts in the last 4 years, half of them spam.
What people here prefer? Any other solution?
Just automatically remove addresses that bounce a few times, it is commonly
done on many mailinglists. Recipients are themselves reponsible for a properly
operating mailserver.
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12:28 p.m.
New subject: [sr-dev] OT: Excessive or fatal bounces for yahoo, hotmail, ...
On 29/04/14 14:01, Alex Hermann wrote:
Hopefully there will be a solution soon not to be very
drastic in
cutting these public/free mail services.
Cheers,
Daniel
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On Tuesday 29 April 2014, Daniel-Constantin Mierla
wrote:
On
sr-users, from where I got the figures of subscribers, there are many
with yahoo/hotmail, some even these days (e.g., Arun)...
1) upgrade mailman to 2.1.16 which has an option
to replace From header
with the address of the mailing list.
Please don't. Mailing list mangling the
reply-to header are already worse
enough, mangling the From makes it unbearable.
2) ask those people with yahoo/hotmail/... to use
different email provider
Combined, yahoo+hotmail account for a bit more than 200 addresses on
sr-users.
But with about 8 posts in the last 4 years, half of them spam. What people here prefer? Any other solution?
Just automatically remove addresses that bounce a few times, it is commonly
done on many mailinglists. Recipients are themselves reponsible for a properly
operating mailserver. 
8:26 a.m.
New subject: OT: Excessive or fatal bounces for yahoo, hotmail, ...
Am Dienstag, 29. April 2014, 09:51:32 schrieb Daniel Tryba:
On Tuesday 29 April 2014 09:18:41 Daniel-Constantin
Mierla wrote:
Hi,
thanks for the information. This is bad, especially as it also seems to bounce
other (non yahoo subscriber) from the list. The suggestions from the link:
Suggestions:
* Suspend posting permission of all yahoo.com addresses, to limit damage
* Tell Yahoo users to get a new mail account somewhere else, pronto, if
they want to continue using mailing lists
* If you know people at Yahoo, ask if perhaps this wasn't such a good idea
does also not sound really good. Not sure if yahoo will fix this, otherwise we
need to upgrade the mailman (as brought up from Daniel in another mail) or
remove them. Both options are not really good.
@Daniel - I have sended the unsubscribed members from this morning to you over
private mail. About 1/3 are not from yahoo, maybe you can bulk subscribe them
again.
Regards,
Henning
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and
potential fixes? I guess
yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of
mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
It's DMARC at work:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
The subejct says it all:
"Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's"
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