Hello,
this morning were reported over 100 "excessive or fatal bounces" for delivery from mailing list to yahoo, hotmail/live (and few other that might be hosted) email addresses. This is unusual high and I spotted several addresses that were active recently and unlikely to have their email address gone.
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and potential fixes? I guess yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
Cheers, Daniel
On Tuesday 29 April 2014 09:18:41 Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and potential fixes? I guess yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
It's DMARC at work:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
The subejct says it all: "Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's"
On 29/04/14 09:51, Daniel Tryba wrote:
On Tuesday 29 April 2014 09:18:41 Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and potential fixes? I guess yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
It's DMARC at work:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
The subejct says it all: "Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's"
Thanks, the possible solutions found so far:
1) upgrade mailman to 2.1.16 which has an option to replace From header with the address of the mailing list. The really big inconvenient is that all emails will be handled like this, losing the sender information, no matter is from yahoo/hotmail or not. Another inconvenient is that it might require manual installation, since 2.1.16 is not packaged on old debian stable, adding overhead in maintenance ... unless some good sysadmin around here provides some backports
2) ask those people with yahoo/hotmail/... to use different email provider
Combined, yahoo+hotmail account for a bit more than 200 addresses on sr-users.
What people here prefer? Any other solution?
Cheers, Daniel
On Tuesday 29 April 2014, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
- upgrade mailman to 2.1.16 which has an option to replace From header
with the address of the mailing list.
Please don't. Mailing list mangling the reply-to header are already worse enough, mangling the From makes it unbearable.
- ask those people with yahoo/hotmail/... to use different email provider
Combined, yahoo+hotmail account for a bit more than 200 addresses on sr-users.
But with about 8 posts in the last 4 years, half of them spam.
What people here prefer? Any other solution?
Just automatically remove addresses that bounce a few times, it is commonly done on many mailinglists. Recipients are themselves reponsible for a properly operating mailserver.
On 29/04/14 14:01, Alex Hermann wrote:
On Tuesday 29 April 2014, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
- upgrade mailman to 2.1.16 which has an option to replace From header
with the address of the mailing list.
Please don't. Mailing list mangling the reply-to header are already worse enough, mangling the From makes it unbearable.
- ask those people with yahoo/hotmail/... to use different email provider
Combined, yahoo+hotmail account for a bit more than 200 addresses on sr-users.
But with about 8 posts in the last 4 years, half of them spam.
On sr-users, from where I got the figures of subscribers, there are many with yahoo/hotmail, some even these days (e.g., Arun)...
What people here prefer? Any other solution?
Just automatically remove addresses that bounce a few times, it is commonly done on many mailinglists. Recipients are themselves reponsible for a properly operating mailserver.
Hopefully there will be a solution soon not to be very drastic in cutting these public/free mail services.
Cheers, Daniel
Am Dienstag, 29. April 2014, 09:51:32 schrieb Daniel Tryba:
On Tuesday 29 April 2014 09:18:41 Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Is anyone here aware of similar issues and potential fixes? I guess yahoo/hotmail servers simply reject the emails sent by mailman of mailing lists.
Any hint would be appreciated...
It's DMARC at work:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
The subejct says it all: "Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's"
Hi,
thanks for the information. This is bad, especially as it also seems to bounce other (non yahoo subscriber) from the list. The suggestions from the link:
Suggestions: * Suspend posting permission of all yahoo.com addresses, to limit damage * Tell Yahoo users to get a new mail account somewhere else, pronto, if they want to continue using mailing lists * If you know people at Yahoo, ask if perhaps this wasn't such a good idea
does also not sound really good. Not sure if yahoo will fix this, otherwise we need to upgrade the mailman (as brought up from Daniel in another mail) or remove them. Both options are not really good.
@Daniel - I have sended the unsubscribed members from this morning to you over private mail. About 1/3 are not from yahoo, maybe you can bulk subscribe them again.
Regards,
Henning
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