User 1 and User 2 are using Messenger 4.7. User 1 is online. User 2 logs on and SUBSCRIBEs to User 1's presence. OK's go back, and a NOTIFY is sent from User 1 to User 2, but the proxy sends back a 483 too many hops. My config file is set up to be stupid about this, so it should send it right through. Is there anything else that should be set up to make this work? It was my understanding that Messenger communicates that information from UA to UA and that the proxy is just dumb in this matter. I had no problem with this in the 8.10 version of SER, but I've had it since I upgraded to 8.11. --joe <<sipdump.txt>> <<ser.cfg>>