Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the who's online to work.
+ Atle
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the who's online to work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Ok.
Is it possible to make an implimention that updates the buddy list , I dont know anything about how it works with msn, so Im just asking..
+ Atle
* Jan Janak jan@iptel.org [040216 11:54]:
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the who's online to work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
I don't think so.
Jan.
On 16-02 12:17, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Ok.
Is it possible to make an implimention that updates the buddy list , I dont know anything about how it works with msn, so Im just asking..
- Atle
- Jan Janak jan@iptel.org [040216 11:54]:
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist in MSN to work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages from the web to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the who's online to work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the MS protocol and XML-language? Can't be too hard, can it? Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53 An: Atle Samuelsen Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the
who's online to
work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Why would anyone do so ? Newer versions are incompatible with other UAs anyway.
Jan.
On 16-02 12:33, Harry Behrens wrote:
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the MS protocol and XML-language? Can't be too hard, can it? Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53 An: Atle Samuelsen Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the
who's online to
work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: 'Jan Janak' [mailto:jan@iptel.org] Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 12:33 An: Harry Behrens Cc: 'Atle Samuelsen'; serusers@lists.iptel.org Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
Why would anyone do so ? Newer versions are incompatible with other UAs anyway.
Because interoperability with MS is an important issue, that`s why. Whether they are compatible to RFCXXXX is secondary, MS-compatible is - whether one likes it or not - just as important as standard-compliance.
And like Atle says, people have done it before in the IM world - out of exactly those reasons.
In case anybody is interested in actually doing this, we could probably contribute to some degree. We always have requests for precisely this interoperability - as has this mailing list.
One has to be pragmatic in designing a product - rather than just being "right",
Harry
Jan.
On 16-02 12:33, Harry Behrens wrote:
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the MS
protocol and
XML-language? Can't be too hard, can it? Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in
and out. And
if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you
can always
reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53 An: Atle Samuelsen Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the
who's online to
work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org
http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
On 16-02 13:12, Harry Behrens wrote:
Because interoperability with MS is an important issue, that`s why. Whether they are compatible to RFCXXXX is secondary, MS-compatible is - whether one likes it or not - just as important as standard-compliance.
With this kind of attitude we would end up with MSSIP which would be incompatible with everything else, even different versions of their software. Is that what you want ?
Just try to send an IM from WM 5.0 to WM 4.7.
I have no problem with extending ser to support their extensions as long as:
1) It does not affect the standard compliance and interoperability of SER. 2) Someone else is going to implement it and will take care of it.
And like Atle says, people have done it before in the IM world - out of exactly those reasons.
In case anybody is interested in actually doing this, we could probably contribute to some degree. We always have requests for precisely this interoperability - as has this mailing list.
As I said, somebody else would have to contribute this.
One has to be pragmatic in designing a product - rather than just being "right",
One has to be pragmatic and resist the temptation to blindly implement proprietary extensions of one big vendor who will sooner or later change his implementation anyway.
Jan.
hm. There's been alot of ppl who's done this before.. (like centericq.de etc)
Maybe they have a solution on it
+ Atle
* Harry Behrens harry.behrens@snom.de [040216 12:32]:
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the MS protocol and XML-language? Can't be too hard, can it? Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53 An: Atle Samuelsen Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the
who's online to
work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
We are happy to delivery whatever looks like SIP with SER. The problem is however the other end which does not understand the MS-originated proprietary stuff delivered to it.
So if you wished to establish interconnection between proprietary MS's IM and standard-compliant IM based on SIMPLE, you would have to build a session-stateful gateway. Doing so would get you on very slippery slope and you would have to rewrite it any time the proprietary extensions change. That's in my opinion not a good interoperation strategy.
-jiri
At 12:33 PM 2/16/2004, Harry Behrens wrote:
what would prevent anyone to just reverse-engineer the MS protocol and XML-language? Can't be too hard, can it? Messenger can be seen as a black box with SIP/SDP coming in and out. And if you can sniff incoming and outgoing of a black box, you can always reverse-engineer it, can't you?
-h-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org [mailto:serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org] Im Auftrag von Jan Janak Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 11:53 An: Atle Samuelsen Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org Betreff: Re: [Serusers] MSN ...
I am afraid that this will work properly only if the other side uses MSN messenger as well.
Jan.
On 14-02 02:18, Atle Samuelsen wrote:
Hey guys, just wonderd if anybody has gotten the buddylist
in MSN to
work ? so you can see who's online.. I can send messages
from the web
to the MSN client.. and it pups up, but I cant get the
who's online to
work.
- Atle
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
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