harry gaillac wrote:

Hi Klaus,

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Please do not cross post. Split your problems into smaller problems and ask them on the correspondig list.

I mail my question to asterisk, openser ser lists

I think one of your biggest problems is your poor english. What does the above sentence mean? I know that you post to all this list because I really get flooded by your emails.

Or do you mean that you give a shit on my advice and still spamming all the lists with your emails (getting the responses you are used to)?

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After all your emails, I still have no glue what your scenario is. Why do you want to host ser+asterisk+NAT on the same device?

pass through I agree my english is not very good sorry i try my best .

Asterisk don't provide IM/presence unlike ser however ser don't provide telephony features like MOH ACD call parked IVR and more

I want my sip agents to provide these features. Ser handle sip routing asterisk telephony features .

Have you ever used SIP clients with presence and IM? I suggest to setup ser (without Asterisk) just to test the IM features. SIP based IM/presence implementations are very poor yet.

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Should the Asterisk/ser be reachable also from the public interface? If not, why do you need NAT traversal at all?

In fact i have got a single machine for my tests . Ser handle sip routing so incoming or outgoing requests pass through SER not directly to asterisk .

I need nat support for sip agents behind nat.

In your picture, the NAT router is on the same PC as ser and asterisk. Is this correct?

what scenario do you have? Are all the users behding the same NAT (in the same subnet) and you provide VoIP within this network (e.g. an enterprise) or do you have external users (e.g. like iptel or freeworlddialup)?

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Why do you use both? Asterisk can also do NAT traversal. For how many users is the setup?

I think asterisk support 255 users

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klaus

harry gaillac wrote:

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Dear users,

This letter is addressed to the most experienced

users

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for the ser openser and asterisk projects.

Advice me and I'll stop to mail my question.

How a session between two user agents behind nat

could

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stay in the path ?

Harry Kinds Regards

   |register |            | register   | 

agent1

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asterisk| |ser/nat box | | | 200 OK | | 200 OK |

agent2

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         One box
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|  | asterisk pbx |       | 
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network

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Hummm,

According to this mail Cesc hate me. If most of the openser users ask for than i leave let me know it and expell me

Harry

--- Cesc cesc.santa@gmail.com a écrit :

I know you are not going to like my reply ... but hey, after all, i NEVER like yours :)

Of course blacklisting harry on a personal basis is probably what some people did (i didn't, in the end, one needs the excitment and laughs that such emails produce). But ... I would propose harry to be expelled from the mailing list. Sorry, he does not have a clue about Open Source mentality and continuously bashes people (who are then still kind enough to reply to his please-do-all-the-work-for-me-for-free emails).

Regards,

Cesc

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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, harry gaillac wrote:

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According to this mail Cesc hate me. If most of the openser users ask for than i leave

let

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me know it and expell me

I totally agree with Cesc... and no, i don't hate you.

Ask for my expelling

Harry

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Hahahaha ... no, no, i do not hate you (probably you did not mean such a big word anyway). But you do annoy me (like many others).

I am not answering anymore ... this harry-topic is the second or third time around and it stinks already... we have talked about it, long enough, each given his/her opinion, either harry or the rest of the world are stupid or just don't get it ... i think we reached a dead-end.

Regards,

Cesc

On 11/23/05, harry gaillac gaillacharry@yahoo.fr wrote:

Hummm,

According to this mail Cesc hate me. If most of the openser users ask for than i leave let me know it and expell me

Harry

--- Cesc cesc.santa@gmail.com a écrit :

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I know you are not going to like my reply ... but hey, after all, i NEVER like yours :)

Of course blacklisting harry on a personal basis is probably what some people did (i didn't, in the end, one needs the excitment and laughs that such emails produce). But ... I would propose harry to be expelled from the mailing list. Sorry, he does not have a clue about Open Source mentality and continuously bashes people (who are then still kind enough to reply to his please-do-all-the-work-for-me-for-free emails).

Regards,

Cesc

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This is all about reducing the time spent on non-productive things. I stopped responding to or reading Harry's posts after he in a personal email was less than diplomatic (after I had tried to help him).

I agree you however please to refresh my memory when you say "after I had tried to help him" . Do you advice me how i could solve my question.

He says his

English is bad, but at least he masters the swearing of the vocabulary.

Some people told me my english is poor I agree .

So,

what's wrong with using your email client to filter him? If others feel it's worth spending time on reading his emails, they are welcome. If we loose contributors to the list because they get tired of users like Harry, Harry should go instead. Apply this rule after the message arrives Where the From line contains 'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr' and Where the To line contains 'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr' Delete it g-(

why such an amount of hatred ?

Harry

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Olivier,

I hate "Sarkozy mode" However i guess some experienced people on these lists can tell me yes it's possible or not !

That's all I ask to the lists

Regards Harry

--- Olivier Taylor olivier.taylor@gmail.com a écrit :

There is something buggy in this list, where is the bug reporting tool?

Maybe it's time to stop that flooding now.

Please, Harry, post your problems one by one and please be patient, you must know that the 'Sarkozy mode' is not really appreciated and will ot help.

Kind regards,

Olivier

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Greger V. Teigre wrote:

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Apply this rule after the message arrives Where the From line contains

'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr'

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and Where the To line contains

'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr'

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Delete it

IMHO that's way too drastic, because his "open letters" so often make my day :o)

And yes, I mostly don't even have a clue what Harry's problem is...

What dou you mean

Andy

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On 11/23/05, Andreas Granig andreas.granig@inode.info wrote:

Greger V. Teigre wrote:

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Apply this rule after the message arrives Where the From line contains 'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr' and Where the To line contains 'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr' Delete it

IMHO that's way too drastic, because his "open letters" so often make my day :o)

And yes, I mostly don't even have a clue what Harry's problem is...

Andy

Actually, i am struggling with the same dilema ... on one hand, harry is annoying. On the other hand ... i can't wait to check my email and find a hilarious bash from Harry. It is a weird mixture of fun and nuisance ... call me a bit masoquistic :)

Cesc

This is the second time we experience problems with posts from Harry Gaillac on the mailing list so from now his posts will be moderated. Offending or duplicit posts will be rejected, the rest will go through as usual. Hope that this will reduce the amount of useless traffic on the list.

Jan, one of list administrators.

On 23-11-2005 06:04, Daryl Sanders wrote:

LOL, you're a sick person Cesc, but strangely I find my self agreeing with you. :)

• Daryl

On 11/23/05, Cesc cesc.santa@gmail.com wrote:

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On 11/23/05, Andreas Granig andreas.granig@inode.info wrote:

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Greger V. Teigre wrote:

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Apply this rule after the message arrives Where the From line contains 'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr' and Where the To line contains 'gaillacharry@yahoo.fr' Delete it

IMHO that's way too drastic, because his "open letters" so often make my day :o)

And yes, I mostly don't even have a clue what Harry's problem is...

Andy

Actually, i am struggling with the same dilema ... on one hand, harry is annoying. On the other hand ... i can't wait to check my email and find a hilarious bash from Harry. It is a weird mixture of fun and nuisance ... call me a bit masoquistic :)

Cesc

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It may not be intentional, but the the fact is you do offend people, especially with your exaggerated use of punctuation (!!!!!!) and your forceful statements. Please try to work within the norm of socially and professionally accepted behavior. You are sure get better response. I think it is well within Jan's right to moderate users that make this list counterproductive. I certainly do not wish to see this list become flooded with the same childish ramblings and flaming seen on asterisk lists.

- Daryl

On 11/23/05, harry gaillac gaillacharry@yahoo.fr wrote:

What are the problems ?

the fact I mail some questions by hoping some help. Is it your problem. I don't like to offend people, don't offend me. May be you should moderate others people too. Can you remember me my posts when I offend some users ? You needn't to moderate my posts.

Harry

--- Jan Janak jan@iptel.org a écrit :

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This is the second time we experience problems with posts from Harry Gaillac on the mailing list so from now his posts will be moderated. Offending or duplicit posts will be rejected, the rest will go through as usual. Hope that this will reduce the amount of useless traffic on the list.

Jan, one of list administrators.

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I've got a proposal for you:

Find someone with good english skills (a friend, coworker, relative, whoever). Try to explain to him/her your problem: * what you want to do * what you have done to make it work * what your setup looks like right now * what you expect it to do instead * where you need more information.

Another hint is to break everything down in separate tasks you need to get accomplished, that is don't try to solve the whole problem at once but try to solve smaller sub-problems first.

Then have this person write it down in english for you. Attach your configuration files. Post ONLY to one mailing list, and choose a descriptive subject.

Maybe this will finally help. C'ya, Marc

On Wednesday 23 November 2005 11:15, Cesc wrote:

I know you are not going to like my reply ... but hey, after all, i NEVER like yours :)

Of course blacklisting harry on a personal basis is probably what some people did (i didn't, in the end, one needs the excitment and laughs that such emails produce). But ... I would propose harry to be expelled from the mailing list. Sorry, he does not have a clue about Open Source mentality and continuously bashes people (who are then still kind enough to reply to his please-do-all-the-work-for-me-for-free emails).

Regards,

Cesc

Well, he IS clueless and still doesn't get a whole lot of things (e.g. that he needs to provide way more information in a better way so others can understand his problem), and he doesn't seem to be able to read documentation and experiment by himself (after all, it looks like he's struggling for 3 weeks or so with this problem).

But: being clueless is no crime. And banning him isn't going to help: he'd just re-register with another name/e-mail address. And I think it would be a bit too harsh. Just add him to your spam-filter if you don't want to read his stuff....

C'ya, Marc