I have to say, this is probably one of the harder decisions I've had to make in a very long time. I have to say the OpenSER / SER decision was much easier.
While I obviously don't know all the details of what's gone on between Bogdan and Henning or whomever else, I just really have a hard time swallowing Hennings explanation of what happened and his, what seems to be, emotional reaction.
More so than that, it seems like there were quite a few decisions made by the board without immediately letting the community know about it, even quite a while after these decisions were made.
While I do not dispute Hennings technical ability, It is my opinion that his disrespectful attitude, his "shotgun" conduct, and his obvious lack of management ability is not befitting of someone on Kamailio project's board regardless of who is at fault here.
Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed that Daniel hasn't said more as well. I met him at the fall VON in 2005 and he was indeed very pleasant and I enjoyed our conversation.
All I've heard is things like 'not wanting to discuss any further', etc. - but the fact remains that wether it's a comfortable topic or not, there are quite a few of us that are using OpenSER in a commercial environment and these are things that we NEED to know in order to make an informed decision.
In the end, all I know is now there are two projects and I have to choose which one. Based on what I've read in the change-logs, my direct experience with Bogden in a technical support role directly related to SER at a previous business - my company will be using OpenSIPS going forward.
I have a very high regard for virtually all of the Kamailio / OpenSER group, and again, I am disappointed and absolutely hate that I've been forced into a position to have to make a decision like this.
I will continue to be active on both sets of lists for the foreseeable future to monitor progress.
Having said all that, I can't tell you how much I hope things can still be resolved and we can all have a unified project. I would implore the Kamailio board to do whatever it takes to bring Bogdan back into the group for the sake of the community.
Hopefully something like that won't be just a dream.
Thanks,
- Darren
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Hello Darren,
On 08/07/08 23:51, Darren Sessions wrote:
I have to say, this is probably one of the harder decisions I've had to make in a very long time. I have to say the OpenSER / SER decision was much easier.
While I obviously don't know all the details of what's gone on between Bogdan and Henning or whomever else, I just really have a hard time swallowing Hennings explanation of what happened and his, what seems to be, emotional reaction.
More so than that, it seems like there were quite a few decisions made by the board without immediately letting the community know about it, even quite a while after these decisions were made.
While I do not dispute Hennings technical ability, It is my opinion that his disrespectful attitude, his "shotgun" conduct, and his obvious lack of management ability is not befitting of someone on Kamailio project's board regardless of who is at fault here.
Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed that Daniel hasn't said more as well. I met him at the fall VON in 2005 and he was indeed very pleasant and I enjoyed our conversation.
I will say, just that the last days I focused on release and didn't want to put gas on fire. I have been very much surprised by many actions around here. But comments will come.
Thank you, best regards, Daniel
All I've heard is things like 'not wanting to discuss any further', etc. - but the fact remains that wether it's a comfortable topic or not, there are quite a few of us that are using OpenSER in a commercial environment and these are things that we NEED to know in order to make an informed decision.
In the end, all I know is now there are two projects and I have to choose which one. Based on what I've read in the change-logs, my direct experience with Bogden in a technical support role directly related to SER at a previous business - my company will be using OpenSIPS going forward.
I have a very high regard for virtually all of the Kamailio / OpenSER group, and again, I am disappointed and absolutely hate that I've been forced into a position to have to make a decision like this.
I will continue to be active on both sets of lists for the foreseeable future to monitor progress.
Having said all that, I can't tell you how much I hope things can still be resolved and we can all have a unified project. I would implore the Kamailio board to do whatever it takes to bring Bogdan back into the group for the sake of the community.
Hopefully something like that won't be just a dream.
Thanks,
- Darren
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Ditto
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Darren Sessions dmsessions@gmail.comwrote:
I have to say, this is probably one of the harder decisions I've had to make in a very long time. I have to say the OpenSER / SER decision was much easier. While I obviously don't know all the details of what's gone on between Bogdan and Henning or whomever else, I just really have a hard time swallowing Hennings explanation of what happened and his, what seems to be, emotional reaction.
More so than that, it seems like there were quite a few decisions made by the board without immediately letting the community know about it, even quite a while after these decisions were made.
While I do not dispute Hennings technical ability, It is my opinion that his disrespectful attitude, his "shotgun" conduct, and his obvious lack of management ability is not befitting of someone on Kamailio project's board regardless of who is at fault here.
Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed that Daniel hasn't said more as well. I met him at the fall VON in 2005 and he was indeed very pleasant and I enjoyed our conversation.
All I've heard is things like 'not wanting to discuss any further', etc. - but the fact remains that wether it's a comfortable topic or not, there are quite a few of us that are using OpenSER in a commercial environment and these are things that we NEED to know in order to make an informed decision.
In the end, all I know is now there are two projects and I have to choose which one. Based on what I've read in the change-logs, my direct experience with Bogden in a technical support role directly related to SER at a previous business - my company will be using OpenSIPS going forward.
I have a very high regard for virtually all of the Kamailio / OpenSER group, and again, I am disappointed and absolutely hate that I've been forced into a position to have to make a decision like this.
I will continue to be active on both sets of lists for the foreseeable future to monitor progress.
Having said all that, I can't tell you how much I hope things can still be resolved and we can all have a unified project. I would implore the Kamailio board to do whatever it takes to bring Bogdan back into the group for the sake of the community.
Hopefully something like that won't be just a dream.
Thanks,
- Darren
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Darren Sessions wrote:
I have to say, this is probably one of the harder decisions I've had to make in a very long time. I have to say the OpenSER / SER decision was much easier.
you are right
While I obviously don't know all the details of what's gone on between Bogdan and Henning or whomever else, I just really have a hard time swallowing Hennings explanation of what happened and his, what seems to be, emotional reaction.
More so than that, it seems like there were quite a few decisions made by the board without immediately letting the community know about it, even quite a while after these decisions were made.
not really, actually there were 2 decisions: 1. local route: see the discussion on the devel list - developers were unable to solve the issue. The board decided. The decision was made public shortly afterwards. 2. name change: finding a new name in the public is not possible because as soon someone suggests a good name, somebody else will grad the domains. Thus the new name was chosen (all board members agreed), the domains were ordered and the name change was made public.
While I do not dispute Hennings technical ability, It is my opinion that his disrespectful attitude, his "shotgun" conduct, and his obvious lack of management ability is not befitting of someone on Kamailio project's board regardless of who is at fault here.
In my opinion Henning did a quite good job for openser
Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed that Daniel hasn't said more as well. I met him at the fall VON in 2005 and he was indeed very pleasant and I enjoyed our conversation.
Sometimes it is better stop talking
All I've heard is things like 'not wanting to discuss any further', etc.
If you have to correct statements endlessly then sometimes you get tired and just go on with work
regards klaus
Klaus Darilion wrote:
Darren Sessions wrote:
I have to say, this is probably one of the harder decisions I've had to make in a very long time. I have to say the OpenSER / SER decision was much easier.
you are right
I suggest that we don't add to flames, since one may very well think, it was an easy one, and yet some may additionaly ask if it was a good one. I think for the time being, more flames is not very helpful. Certainly trying to understand the roots of the problems, and taking history lessons like in the following link, would do better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
-jiri
It wasn't a flame by any means Jiri. I have the upmost respect for you and folks at iptel.
Where would we all be without you after all?
It's simply an observation that there was a clear community progression.
Such is not the case now.
Cheers,
- Darren
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On Aug 8, 2008, at 5:03 AM, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Klaus Darilion wrote:
Darren Sessions wrote:
I have to say, this is probably one of the harder decisions I've had to make in a very long time. I have to say the OpenSER / SER decision was much easier.
you are right
I suggest that we don't add to flames, since one may very well think, it was an easy one, and yet some may additionaly ask if it was a good one. I think for the time being, more flames is not very helpful. Certainly trying to understand the roots of the problems, and taking history lessons like in the following link, would do better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
-jiri
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