Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo.
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like giving the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL for multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
The idea is really that. I want do be able to call one extension and ring on many phones, each registered to a different user, to be able to implementing like a help desk or something... Is it possible in SER?
Thanks
Ricardo.
sip wrote:
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like giving the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL for multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
For this to work, I would suggest to go with the forking feature.
Create a group with all users from same group and, when a call arrives, create a fork. The first gets the call...
Edson.
-----Original Message----- From: serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org [mailto:serusers- bounces@lists.iptel.org] On Behalf Of Ricardo Carvalho Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de agosto de 2006 11:05 To: sip Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org Subject: Re: [Serusers] Same aliases for diferent subscribers
The idea is really that. I want do be able to call one extension and ring on many phones, each registered to a different user, to be able to implementing like a help desk or something... Is it possible in SER?
Thanks
Ricardo.
sip wrote:
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like
giving
the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL
for
multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
I understand the concept you're suggesting, but I still don't know very well how to implement that. I guess you're saying to add in grp table one group named for example "helpdesk" and than add to that group users. But what should be edited in ser.cfg to make SER implement that? any ideas? Have you done this already before?
Thanks,
Ricardo.
Edson wrote:
For this to work, I would suggest to go with the forking feature.
Create a group with all users from same group and, when a call arrives, create a fork. The first gets the call...
Edson.
-----Original Message----- From: serusers-bounces@lists.iptel.org [mailto:serusers- bounces@lists.iptel.org] On Behalf Of Ricardo Carvalho Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de agosto de 2006 11:05 To: sip Cc: serusers@lists.iptel.org Subject: Re: [Serusers] Same aliases for diferent subscribers
The idea is really that. I want do be able to call one extension and ring on many phones, each registered to a different user, to be able to implementing like a help desk or something... Is it possible in SER?
Thanks
Ricardo.
sip wrote:
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like
giving
the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL
for
multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
So long as the original extension is numeric then there is a much easier way to do this, ENUM. Create a private E164 tree (ie. e164.yourdomain.com) and add multiple NAPTR's for the single extension all with the same preference and order. When you call enum_lookup() it will cause the request to fork to all the recipients.
-Evan
P.S. Don't forget to prefix + before calling enum_lookup() P.P.S Don't forget to remove the + if enum_lookup() fails
Ricardo Carvalho wrote:
The idea is really that. I want do be able to call one extension and ring on many phones, each registered to a different user, to be able to implementing like a help desk or something... Is it possible in SER?
Thanks
Ricardo.
sip wrote:
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like giving the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL for multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Evan,
I understand where you're coming from in that ENUM seems a possible solution for this, but in what whacked out universe is managing multiple NAPTRs to handle call groups considered an 'easy' way to do things?
Perhaps this is another definition of the word easy of which I'm unaware. ;)
N.
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:44:36 -0400, Evan Borgström wrote
So long as the original extension is numeric then there is a much easier way to do this, ENUM. Create a private E164 tree (ie. e164.yourdomain.com) and add multiple NAPTR's for the single extension all with the same preference and order. When you call enum_lookup() it will cause the request to fork to all the recipients.
-Evan
P.S. Don't forget to prefix + before calling enum_lookup() P.P.S Don't forget to remove the + if enum_lookup() fails
Ricardo Carvalho wrote:
The idea is really that. I want do be able to call one extension and ring on many phones, each registered to a different user, to be able to implementing like a help desk or something... Is it possible in SER?
Thanks
Ricardo.
sip wrote:
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like giving the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL for multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
My whacked out universe includes a web administration interface that uses 'nsupdate' to manage contacts in a cluster of nameservers running bind. Granted that's not very easy as you now have to run a cluster of nameservers that allow dynamic updates (key exchanges, etc).
What I was really referring to is the other dimension of my whacked out universe that includes vim and some text files on any machine that is capable of running bind (which would be any unix derivative). Take your pick.
If you can manage contacts via the mysql monitor then what's so hard about managing some text files that bind uses? Here, some made up nonsense off the top of my head (sip:2612355@domain.com is the original URI);
$ORIGIN e164.domain.com. 5.5.3.2.1.6.2 60 IN NAPTR "u" "E2U+sip" "!^.*!sip:user1@domain.com!" 60 IN NAPTR "u" "E2U+sip" "!^.*!sip:user2@domain.com!" 60 IN NAPTR "u" "E2U+sip" "!^.*!sip:user3@domain.com!"
Easy.
-Evan
sip wrote:
Evan,
I understand where you're coming from in that ENUM seems a possible solution for this, but in what whacked out universe is managing multiple NAPTRs to handle call groups considered an 'easy' way to do things?
Perhaps this is another definition of the word easy of which I'm unaware. ;)
N.
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:44:36 -0400, Evan Borgström wrote
So long as the original extension is numeric then there is a much easier way to do this, ENUM. Create a private E164 tree (ie. e164.yourdomain.com) and add multiple NAPTR's for the single extension all with the same preference and order. When you call enum_lookup() it will cause the request to fork to all the recipients.
-Evan
P.S. Don't forget to prefix + before calling enum_lookup() P.P.S Don't forget to remove the + if enum_lookup() fails
Ricardo Carvalho wrote:
The idea is really that. I want do be able to call one extension and ring on many phones, each registered to a different user, to be able to implementing like a help desk or something... Is it possible in SER?
Thanks
Ricardo.
sip wrote:
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like giving the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL for multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Heheh. Elegant, I might even grant you. But I'm still thinking utilising DNS to handle call groups doesn't fall into the category of easy... or user-friendly. Sure, DNS is easy for DNS, as it should be. But mixing in DNS to handle calling functions seems... odd somehow.
Just my opinion. I like handy abstractions. I've never found NAPTR records to be human-readable enough to count as easy. Especially in vi.
Perhaps Asterisk is just spoiling me in that sense. Its callgroups are easy to spot in a text file and rather easy to manage.... and, of course, don't rely solely on DNS (which is another point of failure in a production system). I'm picky that way. I don't like adding overt complexity to achieve a solution. I like that to be done behind the scenes by someone more motivated and interested in the 'how things work' side of the code. ;)
This isn't to say I couldn't get used to it. But it's like the equivalent of piping writes on a unix command line compared to an IM client where all the details of how the communication is achieved is done behind the scenes. They both get the job done, but one is clearly easy and the other is clearly a kludge.
N.
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:56:45 -0400, Evan Borgström wrote
My whacked out universe includes a web administration interface that uses 'nsupdate' to manage contacts in a cluster of nameservers running bind. Granted that's not very easy as you now have to run a cluster of nameservers that allow dynamic updates (key exchanges, etc).
What I was really referring to is the other dimension of my whacked out universe that includes vim and some text files on any machine that is capable of running bind (which would be any unix derivative) . Take your pick.
If you can manage contacts via the mysql monitor then what's so hard about managing some text files that bind uses? Here, some made up nonsense off the top of my head (sip:2612355@domain.com is the original URI);
$ORIGIN e164.domain.com. 5.5.3.2.1.6.2 60 IN NAPTR "u" "E2U+sip" "!^.*!sip:user1@domain.com!" 60 IN NAPTR "u" "E2U+sip" "!^.*!sip:user2@domain.com!" 60 IN NAPTR "u" "E2U+sip" "!^.*!sip:user3@domain.com!"
Easy.
-Evan
sip wrote:
Evan,
I understand where you're coming from in that ENUM seems a possible solution for this, but in what whacked out universe is managing multiple NAPTRs to handle call groups considered an 'easy' way to do things?
Perhaps this is another definition of the word easy of which I'm unaware. ;)
N.
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:44:36 -0400, Evan Borgström wrote
So long as the original extension is numeric then there is a much easier way to do this, ENUM. Create a private E164 tree (ie. e164.yourdomain.com) and add multiple NAPTR's for the single extension all with the same preference and order. When you call enum_lookup() it will cause the request to fork to all the recipients.
-Evan
P.S. Don't forget to prefix + before calling enum_lookup() P.P.S Don't forget to remove the + if enum_lookup() fails
Ricardo Carvalho wrote:
The idea is really that. I want do be able to call one extension and ring on many phones, each registered to a different user, to be able to implementing like a help desk or something... Is it possible in SER?
Thanks
Ricardo.
sip wrote:
If you gave the same alias to multiple subscribers, that's a bit like giving the same username to multiple subscribers, or even having the same URL for multiple websites. How would the computer know whether someone trying to contact ALIAS is trying to contact USER-A or USER-B ?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:16:08 +0100, Ricardo Carvalho wrote
Hi,
Is it possible to give same alias to different subscribers? Trying to add same alias in serctl isn't well succeeded because it says that that alias is already in use by other user. Is it any other way to do it?
Regards,
Ricardo. _______________________________________________ Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Serusers mailing list Serusers@lists.iptel.org http://lists.iptel.org/mailman/listinfo/serusers
Besides ENUM possibility, anyone knows a way to implement same aliases for diferent subscribers in ser.cfg? That would be much nice!
Thanks,
Ricardo.
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