[Users] Creating permenant contacts with FIFO ul_add

I am trying to use FIFO to manage permanent contacts. I can create contacts now, but can't figure out what value to specify for the expiry. A positive value represents a real expiry in seconds. Negative numbers, "Never", and "Permanent" all result in "400 Invalid expires format". A zero results in "500 Error while adding contact". The information at http://www.openser.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=fifo_relay#ul_add is more of an example. It doesn't really explain the arguments. Does anyone know how to specify that a contact is permanent? The command "openserctl ul add" is able to create permanent contacts, so it must be possible. Doug -- Doug Meredith (doug.meredith(a)systemguard.com) SystemGuard - Oracle remote support 877-974-8273 (87-SYSGUARD) 506-854-7997 www.systemguard.com