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[Users] Openser 1.1 and forward()
by Douglas Garstang 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

I just upgraded from 1.0.1 to the current cvs version. Ran openser and got this: Jun 5 11:54:47 apollo openser: parse error (156,21-24): syntax error Jun 5 11:54:47 apollo openser: parse error (156,39-40): bad forwardargument Here's the relevant section of openser.cfg. Line 156 is the line with: forward(uri:host, uri:port); # # Outgoing PSTN Calls - Dispatch to Audiocodes # if ( src_ip == xxx.187.142.203 || src_ip == xxx.187.142.204 || src_ip == xxx.187.142.232 || src_ip == xxx.187.142.201 || src_ip == xxx.187.142.231 ) { sl_send_reply("100","Trying"); xlog ("L_INFO","Outbound PSTN call. Dispatching to Audiocodes"); ds_select_dst("2","0"); forward(uri:host, uri:port); return; } What's wrong with this? The example in the 1.1 documentation has the same use of the forward() command! Douglas.

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[Serusers] ser to ser relay
by Szabolcs Szasz 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

Hi I have 2 SIP networks with 2 SERs like on this diagramm: UA1---------SER1-----------SER----------UA2 I authenticate all UAs and all calls (local, long distance and international) on both SERs. How can I relay the call from UA1 to UA2 ? If for example UA1 has local privileges, is there a posibility to relay the call to UA2 without any more authentication? There is an error 407 (Proxy Authentication Required). Thank you in advance. Szasz Szabolcs -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. For more information please visit http://linux.bitdefender.com/

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[Users] cant see Bye when the call is diconnected
by Padmaja RV 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

Hi all! i have openser running and supports authentication and calling,. i made calls and verified that the media session is established both ways. now if i disconnect the call, i cant see the BYE request sent. in the ethereal i dont see any call related messages after ACK is sent for the INVITE. please help me..... i have a line in the openser.cfg file for the BYE request processing if ( method =="BYE || method==CANCEL") { end_media_session(); }; i have also loaded the mediaproxy.so module. however i dont have media proxy installed. is that y i am not getting to see BYE? i tried removing the above lines from the code. with or without them i dont see any difference in the behavior and i dont see BYE when i hang up. Please help!! Thanks and Regards, Padmaja ----- Original Message ----- From: <users-request(a)openser.org> To: <users(a)openser.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Users Digest, Vol 13, Issue 23 > Send Users mailing list submissions to > users(a)openser.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://openser.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > users-request(a)openser.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > users-owner(a)openser.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Starting and stopping openser (ram) > 2. Re: Starting and stopping openser (Padmaja RV) > 3. Who can help me to make it work when openser is behind NAT. > (fusheng.lin(a)gmail.com) > 4. lookup problem (Jean-Michel Foucher) > 5. Bug in branch handling? (Federico Giannici) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:32:21 +0530 > From: ram <talk2ram(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Users] Starting and stopping openser > To: "Padmaja RV" <padmaja.rv(a)vodcalabs.com> > Cc: users(a)openser.org > Message-ID: > <b74751490606052302g5261be6fsa746d34eb7114712(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > > check this URL for you to install and running open ser > its easy step by steps > > http://www.openser.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=install_and_maintain_openser_fr… > > start from /etc/init.d > > go with this doc, its very usefull for starters > > http://www.openser.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=install_and_maintain_openser_fr… > > ram > > > On 6/6/06, Padmaja RV <padmaja.rv(a)vodcalabs.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> since i had problems with running openser thru init.d script., i tried to >> run it thru openserctl. however, the file /var/run/openser.pid is not >> found >> there and it too was not running. so i started running openser with >> /usr/local/sbin/openser start. it works fine this way. also since >> /usr/local/sbin is in my PATH variable, i can directly type openser start >> and this way also it runs. however, after starting openser, it does not >> return the command prompt back. if i have to stop running openser, i have >> to >> hit ctrl+c. there is no other way to stop it.... please let me know how >> to >> start and stop openser directly (not thru init or openserctl because both >> of >> them give me trouble). also how can i see which is the main pid of >> openser >> as when i run the ps command , it shows me some 3-4 pids for different >> subprocesses............ >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Padmaja >> >> >> >

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[Serusers] non-responsive SER 0.9.6
by Cesc 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

Hi, I think this issue was already risen a while back, but seen that there is no answer, i will insist :D My SER becomes completely unresponsive (UDP and TCP) after a while. I started it 3 days ago and have a monitoring script that sends 1 REGISTER every 10 secs (plus a few other phones). This morning that SER was totally stoned! :( I have tried sending via UDP and TCP ... same answer (that is, no answer). But, the fifo (thus, part of SER) still works (i can do a serctl moni). I am trying to investigate myself ... what can i do? can i force a core dump from the shell (sending some kill signal) to the already stoned SER? Regards, Cesc

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RE: [Serusers] PA error sending notifies
by İlker Aktuna (Koç.net) 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

Hi Samuel, What is your client ? If you use Eyebeam, it updates the file : xcap-root/privacy-lists/users/sam/privacy-lists.xml What is the format used in your im-rules.xml file ? Thanks, ilker -----Original Message----- From: samuel [mailto:samu60@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:29 PM To: İlker Aktuna (Koç.net) Cc: serusers(a)iptel.org Subject: Re: [Serusers] PA error sending notifies As I said, unfortunately, I ran out of time and I could not go further experimenting with presence & IM...... The path of the file depends on the username, for the user sam, the rules of the IM are located in the next file: xcap-root/im-rules/users/sam/im-rules.xml and what you put within the brackets is just the file name: im-rules.xml. I would say it worked but now i'm not 100% sure, only 99.99% :P and without any modification in the code. The code might have changed since I tried it last time. Samuel. 2006/5/31, İlker Aktuna (Koç. net ) <ilkera(a)koc.net>: > > > > > > Hi Samuel, > > Did you manage to get message rules from im-rules file ? > Do you know which path does SER check if you write the > authorize_message command as in below ? > > if (authorize_message("im-rules.xml")){ > > If you managed to make it work, which client do you use for this ? Did > you make any change in the source ? > > Thanks, > ilker > > -----Original Message----- > From: samuel [mailto:samu60@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:53 AM > To: İlker Aktuna (Koç.net) > Cc: Vaclav Kubart; serusers(a)iptel.org > Subject: Re: [Serusers] PA error sending notifies > > If you are using XCAP authentication for MESSAGEs, there's a function > called authorize_message that needs to have as parameter the file name > of the IM ruleset. > For user sam, in xcap-root/im-rules/users/sam/im-rules.xml > there are the rules for this function. The XML file is similar to the > presence-rules but has important differences (correct me if I'm wrong, > Vaclav!!!): > *it only has a blacklist parameter (no whitelist!!) *the namespace is > different (so be carefull in copy&paste from the > presence-rules!!!) and, as Vaclav poitned out "proprietary" from iptel. > > > About the structure I have: x86 debian testing. Libraries versions I > don't know exactly but the ones in the testing repository EXCEPT a > library which I had to get for serweb from the stable version...but > it's not affecting SER part. > > Samuel. > 2006/5/16, İlker Aktuna (Koç. net ) <ilkera(a)koc.net>: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > What did you mean by following: > > > > >Instead of > > >> > > >> if (authorize_message("http://localhost/xcap")) { > > > > > >there should be > > > > > >if (authorize_message("im-rules.xml")){ > > > > Btw, did you receive my email with following questions : > > > > >> I have the same problem with notification and other presence > > >> messages > > with you. > > >> Can you tell me which Linux distribution you are using Ser on ? > > >> Also please include version numbers for libraries that are > > >> required by > > Ser. > > >> > > >> I am trying to find similarities between yours and my ser server. > > > > Regards, > > ilker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: serusers-bounces(a)iptel.org > > [mailto:serusers-bounces@iptel.org] On Behalf Of samuel > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:13 PM > > To: Vaclav Kubart > > Cc: serusers(a)iptel.org > > Subject: Re: [Serusers] PA error sending notifies > > > > Let's see if I can finish the e-mail before gmail decides it's > > enough...:P > > > > 006/5/15, samuel <samu60(a)gmail.com>: > > > Following with the handbook... > > > > > > > > the authorize message in the sample confgi files has as parameter > > > the xcap root while it should have the xml file containing the > auth.rules. > > > > > > Instead of > > > > > > > > if (authorize_message("http://localhost/xcap")) { > > > > there should be > > > > if (authorize_message("im-rules.xml")){ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006/5/15, samuel <samu60(a)gmail.com>: > > > > First of all, I have to thank you for the time you spent writing > > > > the handbook, it's really really helpfull....I wish all SER > > > > related parts had this docs.. > > > > > > > > I'll try to get familiar with the code of the notifications and > > > > I'll try to find something....which I don't thing so :P. I'll > > > > also merge the two functionalities (proxy + presence) in a > > > > unique config file to see if it works. > > > > I hope I can provide more info these following days. > > > > > > > > About the missing things in the presence handbook, probably the > > > > most important is the new xcap module because in the sample > > > > config files it's missing. > > > > Another thing is that in the XCAP structure description, the > > > > im-rules directory is missing, which might lead to > > > > misunderstandings. I downloaded the structure from the iptel's > > > > ftp and inside the im-rules there were several files > > > > corresponding to presence-rules which should be either removed > > > > or updated with the im-rules namespaces and removing the whitelist. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Samuel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006/5/15, Vaclav Kubart <vaclav.kubart(a)iptel.org>: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > this problem I'm trying to solve with Ilker Aktuna. I try to > > > > > simulate it on my machine and let you know. Or if you solve > > > > > it, please > > let me know. > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Please, could you tell me, what things you were missing in > > > > > presence handbook? I'm trying to do it as useful as possible > > > > > and whatever ideas are welcome... > > > > > > > > > > Vaclav > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 01:38:02PM +0200, samuel wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I recently had a few hours and start installing the presence > > > > > > staff and I have to say that I have it amost workign thanks > > > > > > to the presence handbook, the mailing list and, obviously, a > > > > > > little bit of code review..:P > > > > > > > > > > > > I have two SER instances, the "proxy" and the "presence server" > > > > > > (both with last CVS code) co-located in the same host and I > > > > > > have an issue when the "presence server" tries to send the > > > > > > NOTIFY requests. Below there's an attched log showing the > > > > > > problem (on IP a.b.c.d I've got the two instances): > > > > > > > > > > > > 3(30682) DEBUG notify.c:378: sending winfo notify > > > > > > 3(30682) DEBUG notify.c:383: winfo document created > > > > > > 3(30682) DEBUG notify.c:391: creating headers > > > > > > 3(30682) DEBUG notify.c:398: headers created > > > > > > 3(30682) DEBUG:tm:t_uac: > > > > > > > > next_hop=<sip:a.b.c.d;transport=tcp;ftag=c77b3f33;lr=on> > > > > > > 3(30682) t_uac: no socket found > > > > > > 3(30682) DEBUG notify.c:402: request sent with result -7 > > > > > > 3(30682) ERROR: notify.c:404: Can't send watcherinfo > > > > > > notification (-7) > > > > > > > > > > > > This problem appears in other places, not only in the > > > > > > notifications for winfo so probably there's somthing in the > > > > > > selection of the outgoing socket directing to the local IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From the proxy part I just ust t_forward_nonack for the "SIMPLE" > > > > > > messages with record route....maybe adding the port in the > > > > > > record route should help? <http://387555.sigclick.mailinfo.com/sigclick/00090404/000D4808/03034F03/131…> _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bu e-posta mesaji kisiye ozel olup, gizli bilgiler iceriyor olabilir. 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[Users] Starting and stopping openser
by Padmaja RV 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

Hi all! since i had problems with running openser thru init.d script., i tried to run it thru openserctl. however, the file /var/run/openser.pid is not found there and it too was not running. so i started running openser with /usr/local/sbin/openser start. it works fine this way. also since /usr/local/sbin is in my PATH variable, i can directly type openser start and this way also it runs. however, after starting openser, it does not return the command prompt back. if i have to stop running openser, i have to hit ctrl+c. there is no other way to stop it.... please let me know how to start and stop openser directly (not thru init or openserctl because both of them give me trouble). also how can i see which is the main pid of openser as when i run the ps command , it shows me some 3-4 pids for different subprocesses............ Thanks in advance, Padmaja ----- Original Message ----- From: <users-request(a)openser.org> To: <users(a)openser.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Users Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21 > Send Users mailing list submissions to > users(a)openser.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://openser.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > users-request(a)openser.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > users-owner(a)openser.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Avpops tutorial (Norman Brandinger) > 2. troubles with usrloc module: db_mode=3 (DB only) > (Christian Schlatter) > 3. openser with nathelper/rtpproxy as SBC (Ovidiu Sas) > 4. Re: ACC module detect-direction (Glenn Dalgliesh) > 5. Auth and Auth-int in openser (Padmaja RV) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:40:06 -0400 > From: Norman Brandinger <norm(a)goes.com> > Subject: Re: [Users] Avpops tutorial > To: Douglas Garstang <dgarstang(a)oneeighty.com> > Cc: users(a)openser.org > Message-ID: <44848896.2030608(a)goes.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I've used the following software to write a couple of documents that the > developers can easily incorporate into the web site: to > http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/ > > The online DocuWiki http://openser.org/dokuwiki/doku.php will allow you > to create documents directly from a browser. > > OpenSER is a highly technical piece of software that is under ACTIVE > development and sometimes the documentation lags the new and cool > features that the developers are writing. Depending on your time, > energy level, etc, you might want to consider learning C to more fully > appreciate what OpenSER can do for you. > > I agree with the comment that if OpenSER doesn't meet your needs, in > terms of documentation or function, you would be better by using a > commercial offering. > > Regards, > Norm > > Douglas Garstang wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Juha Heinanen [mailto:jh@tutpro.com] >>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:09 PM >>> To: Douglas Garstang >>> Cc: greg(a)thursday.com; users(a)openser.org >>> Subject: RE: [Users] Avpops tutorial >>> >>> >>> Douglas Garstang writes: >>> >>> > It's a wee bit difficult for others to write documentation >>> when they >>> > can't figure the software out, because the developers >>> never wrote any >>> > good ones. Eight months of openser and I'm still trying to work out >>> > how all this branch stuff works. Don't have a clue, and there's no >>> > books on this stuff either. If you ask in the list you get half >>> > answers and riddles. >>> >>> i don't like your attitude. if you don't consider quality of >>> openser or >>> its documentation good enough and are not willing to do anything about >>> it, i suggest you look for some other open source product or go for >>> commercial offerings. >>> >> >> What source do you recommend I use in writing my documentation? If you >> could provide a source, I'd be happy to consider writing some. I did not >> question the quality of OpenSER. I questioned the quality of the >> documentation for OpenSER. >> >> Just because something is open source, does not immediately mean it has >> to have bad documentation. >> >> Doug. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)openser.org >> http://openser.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:12:55 -0400 > From: Christian Schlatter <cs(a)unc.edu> > Subject: [Users] troubles with usrloc module: db_mode=3 (DB only) > To: users(a)openser.org > Message-ID: <44849047.6010307(a)unc.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > > Running openser (CVS HEAD) with usrloc:db_mode=3 causes it to crash > repeatedly after 15 secs or so. The core dump does not say much except > > (gdb) bt > #0 0x00b2b392 in ?? () > #1 0x08131468 in mem_pool () > #2 0xbfff8b54 in ?? () > #3 0xbfff8b54 in ?? () > #4 0x00000008 in ?? () > #5 0x00b3adbf in ?? () > #6 0x00000007 in ?? () > #7 0x00b3a88c in ?? () > #8 0x00000006 in ?? () > #9 0x00b3adcd in ?? () > #10 0x00000005 in ?? () > #11 0x00b3adae in ?? () > #12 0xb576a560 in ?? () > #13 0x00000007 in ?? () > #14 0x00b39c59 in ?? () > #15 0x00000005 in ?? () > #16 0x00b3adae in ?? () > #17 0x00000001 in ?? () > #18 0x00000001 in ?? () > #19 0x00000000 in ?? () > > > The openser log looks like: > > ERROR: receive_fd: EOF on 16 > child process 18101 exited by a signal 11 > core was generated > > > I also don't see any mysql errors. The last mysql query issued by > openser before dying is always > > Query delete from location where expires<'2006-06-05 16:03:17' > (only the timestamp changes) > > Deleting all location table entries before starting up openser does not > help either. Is there something special I have to consider when running > openser in DB-only mode? > > Thanks for any help, > Christian >

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[Serusers] Debug Log / Call Trace
by Max Clark 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

Hi all, I need to enable a debug log or call tracing for a specific host / DID. Can anyone point me to documentation or give me pointers on how to accomplish this? Thanks, Max -- Max Clark http://www.clarksys.com

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RE: [Users] Avpops tutorial
by Douglas Garstang 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

> -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Heinanen [mailto:jh@tutpro.com] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:09 PM > To: Douglas Garstang > Cc: greg(a)thursday.com; users(a)openser.org > Subject: RE: [Users] Avpops tutorial > > > Douglas Garstang writes: > > > It's a wee bit difficult for others to write documentation > when they > > can't figure the software out, because the developers > never wrote any > > good ones. Eight months of openser and I'm still trying to work out > > how all this branch stuff works. Don't have a clue, and there's no > > books on this stuff either. If you ask in the list you get half > > answers and riddles. > > i don't like your attitude. if you don't consider quality of > openser or > its documentation good enough and are not willing to do anything about > it, i suggest you look for some other open source product or go for > commercial offerings. What source do you recommend I use in writing my documentation? If you could provide a source, I'd be happy to consider writing some. I did not question the quality of OpenSER. I questioned the quality of the documentation for OpenSER. Just because something is open source, does not immediately mean it has to have bad documentation. Doug.

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RE: [Users] Avpops tutorial
by Douglas Garstang 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

The documentation is not very good. It's a wee bit difficult for others to write documentation when they can't figure the software out, because the developers never wrote any good ones. Eight months of openser and I'm still trying to work out how all this branch stuff works. Don't have a clue, and there's no books on this stuff either. If you ask in the list you get half answers and riddles. > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Fausak [mailto:lgfausak@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:23 AM > To: Douglas Garstang > Cc: Juha Heinanen; users(a)openser.org > Subject: Re: [Users] Avpops tutorial > > > Douglas, > > The programmer did write documentation! That's what we > currently have. Often it is a good idea for a non-programmer > (ie. user) > to write the documentation from their point of view. > > Anyway, this is open software and the more people that help > develop it (and it's documentation) the better. If you don't write > it I'm sure somebody will someday :-) > > > -g > > > On 6/5/06, Douglas Garstang <dgarstang(a)oneeighty.com> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Juha Heinanen [mailto:jh@tutpro.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:01 AM > > > To: Douglas Garstang > > > Cc: Bogdan-Andrei Iancu; Sam Lee; users(a)openser.org > > > Subject: RE: [Users] Avpops tutorial > > > > > > > > > Douglas Garstang writes: > > > > > > > I'm not one of the developers. > > > > > > you don't need to be. in fact, it would give developers' > more time to > > > develop, i.e., write code. > > > > How can I write the documentation when I don't understand > how the software works? > > Are you suggesting I learn C and look at the code? > > > > I'm of the opinion that developers should write > documentation. If other people try to do it, they make bad > assumptions based on what they THINK they know. They then > write bad or wrong documentation which others read, and in > turn also write bad documentation. It's not a good model. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users(a)openser.org > > http://openser.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > -- > Greg Fausak > greg(a)thursday.com >

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[Users] Openser 1.1 and forward()
by Douglas Garstang 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

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