4 Nov
2008
4 Nov
'08
3:46 p.m.
4 nov 2008 kl. 16.24 skrev Bogdan-Andrei Iancu:
Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks interesting,
but I'm missing some points here (important points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the
OpenSER view proved to be a very popular and successful one), I
wonder why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more the
OpenSER view as claimed? because such merging will definitely have a
great impact on the dynamical and openness of the projects (like
releases, contributions, driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a
backstage decision, kept secret from the community - shouldn't be in
the interest of the community to say if going back to the roots
(merging into SER) is something wanted or not? it somehow
contradicts the self existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the internal
project activities and not optimizations of the outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We
already went though the experience of large devel community,
frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2 years...
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
From my personal perspective, the new project
looks more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the
resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;) 
4 Nov
4 Nov
5:28 p.m.
New subject: [SR-Dev] [Kamailio-Users] the sip router project
Thank you Olle,
I think your positive note is very encouraging.
I'm similarly concerned about the actual outcome -- planning and striving
for it is one thing, executing it yet another thing on our busy to-do-lists.
Nevertheless the willingness to work hard on it is very tangible
and I really consider it realistic. And I'm willing to bet on its
success too :)
I would very much discount conspiracy, absorption and other discouraging
and ungrounded concerns. In fact, if there is something which appears hard
to follow, why Bogdan forked off SER with many strong arguments to openser,
and now forked off from his openser to opensips with arguments remarkably
similar to the former.
"Serial forking" is not the kind of business I'm interested here at all.
In fact, I think forking is a VERY BAD THING to do and I'm very strongly
opposed to attempts discouraging unforking and encouraging other forks.
More funded opinions than mine can be for example found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
Therefore thanks again to anyone putting effort on unforking!
-jiri
Johansson Olle E wrote:
4 nov 2008 kl. 16.24 skrev Bogdan-Andrei Iancu:
Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks interesting,
but I'm missing some points here (important points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the
OpenSER view proved to be a very popular and successful one), I
wonder why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more the
OpenSER view as claimed? because such merging will definitely have a
great impact on the dynamical and openness of the projects (like
releases, contributions, driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a
backstage decision, kept secret from the community - shouldn't be in
the interest of the community to say if going back to the roots
(merging into SER) is something wanted or not? it somehow
contradicts the self existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the internal
project activities and not optimizations of the outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We
already went though the experience of large devel community,
frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2 years...
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
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From my personal perspective, the new project
looks more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the
resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;) 
5:53 p.m.
New subject: [SR-Dev] [Kamailio-Users] the sip router project
Hello,
On 11/04/08 19:28, Jiri Kuthan wrote:
Thank you Olle,
I think your positive note is very encouraging.
I'm similarly concerned about the actual outcome -- planning and striving
for it is one thing, executing it yet another thing on our busy to-do-lists.
developing the features we will get to by this integration would have
been taken lot more time than doing in this way. Also, later would have
meant more time lost with integration. So yes, it will be work to do,
but everybody will benefit from it.
Nevertheless the willingness to work hard on it is
very tangible
and I really consider it realistic. And I'm willing to bet on its
success too :)
I do, too. The positive feedback we got from developers (before going to
public, so no conspiracy :-) ) and from our users shows we are on the
right direction.
In my opinion, (for me) coding is the easiest in open source. You get
your pizza, vim, gcc and gdb (folks, don't get it literary!!!) ... but
that is not enough. If we got here, then it is because everyone wants to
do things better and are committed to.
Cheers,
Daniel
I would very much discount conspiracy, absorption and
other discouraging
and ungrounded concerns. In fact, if there is something which appears hard
to follow, why Bogdan forked off SER with many strong arguments to openser,
and now forked off from his openser to opensips with arguments remarkably
similar to the former.
"Serial forking" is not the kind of business I'm interested here at all.
In fact, I think forking is a VERY BAD THING to do and I'm very strongly
opposed to attempts discouraging unforking and encouraging other forks.
More funded opinions than mine can be for example found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29
Therefore thanks again to anyone putting effort on unforking!
-jiri
Johansson Olle E wrote:
--
Daniel-Constantin Mierla
http://www.asipto.com
4 nov 2008 kl. 16.24 skrev Bogdan-Andrei Iancu:
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Hi Olle,
Thank you for your thoughts. On a first view, it looks interesting,
but I'm missing some points here (important points):
1) as OpenSER was forked from SER because different views (and the
OpenSER view proved to be a very popular and successful one), I
wonder why, Kamilio is getting back to SER? not sharing any more the
OpenSER view as claimed? because such merging will definitely have a
great impact on the dynamical and openness of the projects (like
releases, contributions, driving the project)
2) this major change of perspective (at least for kamilio) was a
backstage decision, kept secret from the community - shouldn't be in
the interest of the community to say if going back to the roots
(merging into SER) is something wanted or not? it somehow
contradicts the self existence of OpenSER, right?
3) the benefits you mentions are mainly optimization of the internal
project activities and not optimizations of the outcome - what the
project will deliver. And I guess this is the most important. We
already went though the experience of large devel community,
frameworks, etc but with no outcome for more than 2 years...
Bogdan,
Thanks for your feedback, which clearly indicates where you stand
today. We will have to see what the community says, but so far, I've
only seen cheers and applauds.
How this will work out in the future is something no one really can
guess at this point. The more people that joins this effort and forms
it, the better. The time to make it right is now, by working together
and aligning the codebases as described, then working towards the
future with new releases.
We'll see if the combined forces can produce any deliverys or not.
Today, we can only hope and guess.
I think it's a great starting point that they have started talking,
and agreed to work together on some parts. To me, it seems to be room
for two final products stil, sharing the same core. One Kamailio and
one SER.
After the developer meetings, I think it's time to call for a joint
community meeting to have people active in the community - not only
developers - in the same room, discussing benefits of working together.
I don't want to argue your standpoint, just hope that you will follow
the progress and see if there's some benefits for OpenSIPS to join at
some stage. Regardless, the GPL license allows you to benefit from the
work as always.
I might be naive, but I do have a positive feeling about this :-)
/O
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users(a)lists.kamailio.org
http://lists.kamailio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
From my personal perspective, the new project
looks more like SER
absorbing Kamilio (considering the sizes, the companies behind each
project, the resources, and the man-power behind each project).
And at the moment I would like preserve the OpenSER vision and to
have an open source project (a standalone one), far away from the
"control" of any Big Brother ;)
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