28 Mar
2011
28 Mar
'11
10:18 a.m.
Hello,
for the second year, Kamailio is participating in GSoC program. For
2011, the proposal is to implement a signaling gateway between SIP and
JINGLE to enable voice calls between the two networks:
http://www.jitsi.org/index.php/GSOC2011/KamailioJingle
If you are a student, or you know a student, interested in this project,
just write me or to sr-dev(a)lists.sip-router.org. The application starts
today and the deadline is April 8, therefore it is quite a short period,
you will have to hurry.
You can read more about the GSoC program and Kamailio at:
http://www.kamailio.org/w/gsoc-2011/
http://www.jitsi.org/index.php/Development/Gsoc2011
Cheers,
Daniel
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Daniel-Constantin Mierla
http://www.asipto.com
28 Mar
28 Mar
5:03 a.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
Daniel-Constantin Mierla writes:
for the second year, Kamailio is participating in GSoC
program. For
2011, the proposal is to implement a signaling gateway between SIP and
JINGLE to enable voice calls between the two networks:
i read somewhere that googletalk now supports sip, but don't know if i
can use my google account as googletalk sip account.
how is jingle related to googletalk?
-- juha
11:23 a.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
2011/3/28 Juha Heinanen <jh(a)tutpro.com>om>:
i read somewhere that googletalk now supports sip
I don't think so. GoogleTalk is XMPP and uses Jingle for voice.
Maybe you meant GoogleVoice (https://www.google.com/voice/) which is a
PSTN service in which Google uses SIP internally.
how is jingle related to googletalk?
Jingle is a extension for adding voice/video support into XMPP.
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Iñaki Baz Castillo
<ibc(a)aliax.net>
5:58 a.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
Iñaki Baz Castillo writes:
I don't think so. GoogleTalk is XMPP and uses
Jingle for voice.
Maybe you meant GoogleVoice (https://www.google.com/voice/) which is a
PSTN service in which Google uses SIP internally.
yes, sorry, i meant googlevoice. so i read somewhere that now
googlevoice users are able to receive and place sip calls anywhere on
the internet. the uri is sip:+number@sip.voice.google.com.
it is plain stupid that sip:username@google.com is not supported yet for
normal google accounts. perhaps your summer coder can implement that!
would be in my opinion much more useful than jingle gateway. in
gateways dome functionality is always lost and address may be
complicated.
-- juha
11:29 a.m.
2011/3/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda(a)gmail.com>om>:
the proposal is to implement a signaling gateway
between SIP and JINGLE to
enable voice calls between the two networks
Let me a question: Why SIP people is interested in interoperate with
XMPP while the opposite is not true?
We have also tried to build IM/presence gateways between SIP and XMPP
(well, as SIMPLE just sucks it's arguable).
But, have XMPP people tryed to "integrate" SIP into XMPP? not at all,
they have developed their own spec for adding voice/video over XMPP. I
don't think they are interested in SIP at all.
As a teacher in my high school told me, protocol A cannot be
compatible with protocol B. If they are compatible, then they are the
*same* protocol. So "interoperability" between different protocols
just mean that a single protocol will remain alive. Which one?
Just wondering.
--
Iñaki Baz Castillo
<ibc(a)aliax.net>
11:34 a.m.
28 mar 2011 kl. 11.29 skrev Iñaki Baz Castillo:
2011/3/28 Daniel-Constantin Mierla
<miconda(a)gmail.com>om>:
Inaki. Do google before stating things like
this ;-)
THe XMPP people have written drafts about SIP XMPP interoperability but have gotten almost
no response from the SIP crowds...
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-core-01.html
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-groupchat-01.html
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-media-01.html
Now, check the SIP forum. How many times do they mention XMPP?
/O
the proposal is to implement a signaling gateway
between SIP and JINGLE to
enable voice calls between the two networks
Let me a question: Why SIP people is interested in interoperate with
XMPP while the opposite is not true? We have also tried to build IM/presence gateways
between SIP and XMPP
(well, as SIMPLE just sucks it's arguable).
But, have XMPP people tryed to "integrate" SIP into XMPP? not at all,
they have developed their own spec for adding voice/video over XMPP. I
don't think they are interested in SIP at all.
As a teacher in my high school told me, protocol A cannot be
compatible with protocol B. If they are compatible, then they are the
*same* protocol. So "interoperability" between different protocols
just mean that a single protocol will remain alive. Which one?
Just wondering.
--
Iñaki Baz Castillo
<ibc(a)aliax.net>
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11:46 a.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
2011/3/28 Olle E. Johansson <oej(a)edvina.net>et>:
You are right, sorry. Anyhow, how you ever seen a XMPP server
integrating some kind of interoperability/gateway with SIP? In
Kamailio/*SER we have some attemps to interoperate with XMPP world.
--
Iñaki Baz Castillo
<ibc(a)aliax.net>
Let me a
question: Why SIP people is interested in interoperate with
XMPP while the opposite is not true?
Inaki. Do google before stating things like
this ;-)
THe XMPP people have written drafts about SIP XMPP interoperability but have gotten
almost no response from the SIP crowds...
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-core-01.html
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-groupchat-01.html
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-media-01.html
Now, check the SIP forum. How many times do they mention XMPP? 
11:49 a.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote:
Anyhow, how you ever seen a XMPP server
integrating some kind of interoperability/gateway with SIP? In
Kamailio/*SER we have some attemps to interoperate with XMPP world.
Not quite sure what you are getting at. What does it matter whether the
SIP server is also an XMPP server or the other way round?
Regards,
Martin
11:55 a.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
2011/3/28 Martin Hoffmann <martin.hoffmann(a)telio.ch>ch>:
I just meant that SIP-XMPP interoperability efforts (at code level)
always come from SIP world.
--
Iñaki Baz Castillo
<ibc(a)aliax.net>
Anyhow, how
you ever seen a XMPP server
integrating some kind of interoperability/gateway with SIP? In
Kamailio/*SER we have some attemps to interoperate with XMPP world.
Not quite sure what you are getting at. What does it matter whether the
SIP server is also an XMPP server or the other way round?
1:13 p.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
28 mar 2011 kl. 11.46 skrev Iñaki Baz Castillo:
2011/3/28 Olle E. Johansson <oej(a)edvina.net>et>:
You are right, sorry. Anyhow, how you ever seen a XMPP server
integrating some kind of interoperability/gateway with SIP? In
Kamailio/*SER we have some attemps to interoperate with XMPP world.
Daniel and I hosted a seminar about that in Paris a few years ago, and learned a
lot. It's hard to integrate them.
A very simple thing:
- In SIP you can send a Subscribe with Expires:0 to "query" the server about the
current state of a URI.
- In XMPP, the server doesn't have a state for anything. It's just a message
router.
I think that's why the SIXPAC group is focusing on client-based solutions instead of
trying to handle interoperability on the server side.
//O
Let me a
question: Why SIP people is interested in interoperate with
XMPP while the opposite is not true?
Inaki. Do google before stating things like
this ;-)
THe XMPP people have written drafts about SIP XMPP interoperability but have gotten
almost no response from the SIP crowds...
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-core-01.html
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-groupchat-01.html
http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-media-01.html
Now, check the SIP forum. How many times do they mention XMPP?
7:02 a.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
Olle E. Johansson writes:
- In SIP you can send a Subscribe with Expires:0 to
"query" the server
- about the current state of a URI.
- In XMPP, the server doesn't have a state for anything. It's just a
- message router.
that is one example of how information will get lost in the translation.
gateways are waste of time.
-- juha
1:19 p.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
2011/3/28 Olle E. Johansson <oej(a)edvina.net>et>:
- In SIP you can send a Subscribe with Expires:0 to
"query" the server about the current state of a URI.
- In XMPP, the server doesn't have a state for anything. It's just a message
router.
This is not entirely true. In XMPP basic presence ("online", "away",
text message as "I'm at home") is sent as individual messages the
server routes to the watchers. But other more modern features (as user
avatar/image) use PUB-SUB mechanism, so the watcher must subscribe to
a specific user for the watched user.
--
Iñaki Baz Castillo
<ibc(a)aliax.net>
7 Apr
7 Apr
4:36 p.m.
New subject: [SR-Users] Kamailio at Google Summer of Code 2011
Helllo,
short reminder for those planning to register for GSoC 2011 with
proposed project or with their own idea, the deadline is tomorrow
evening, therefore you have to hurry up.
Thanks,
Daniel
On 3/28/11 10:18 AM, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
Hello,
for the second year, Kamailio is participating in GSoC program. For
2011, the proposal is to implement a signaling gateway between SIP and
JINGLE to enable voice calls between the two networks:
http://www.jitsi.org/index.php/GSOC2011/KamailioJingle
If you are a student, or you know a student, interested in this
project, just write me or to sr-dev(a)lists.sip-router.org. The
application starts today and the deadline is April 8, therefore it is
quite a short period, you will have to hurry.
You can read more about the GSoC program and Kamailio at:
http://www.kamailio.org/w/gsoc-2011/
http://www.jitsi.org/index.php/Development/Gsoc2011
Cheers,
Daniel
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http://www.asipto.com
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