[SR-Users] Astricon: OpenSource Soiree

Fri Oct 5 10:44:13 CEST 2018

Ok, is evident I am completely unable in this things, I totally see I am.

Sorry to have screwed up, I was well meaning (as you hinted), and I will
definitely change my attitude in future.

Sorry again, I just wanted (and I see I was superficial and wrong) to
extend invitation to party, with no other interest than being seen as a
nice guy, btw I am not organizing it and I believe the organizers are
actively reaching to Asterisk community, maybe the organizers are not the
most efficients party organizers. I am not yet subscribed to asterisk
mailing list, that is why I have not put it in copy (also, now I understand
is bad to send messages to multiple mailing lists).

Anyway, I am sad, I do it wrongly (totally clear now to me), I apologize,
it will not happen again in future. That is sure.

-giovanni

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 10:26 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> there are couple of aspects to clarify with your kind of approach here.
>
> * First, because you did it couple of times, email good manners say not to
> send a message to many recipients that have no close relation between them.
> You addressed many of your past emails to couple of mailing lists:
>
>   - if you think the members overlap, then send to only one, everyone will
> get it from there
>   - if you don't think the above and the communities are different, send
> independent messages to each of your recipients or put them on bcc. After
> all, copy&paste is cheap, takes few more seconds, but is done properly. We
> encourage Reply-All in your community, when someone sends an email with
> recipient in no relation with themselves and our project, even worse with
> subscribe-only mailing lists, it doesn't play nice
>
> * Users mailing list here is for discussions about using Kamailio. If you
> do a presentation or something else that doesn't involve directly Kamailio,
> even if you think some aspects there can be interesting, this is not the
> forum for it. Use business list or contact first the Kamailio project admin
> or management groups to figure out where is the most appropriate place to
> post your message. It was suggested by others for your past posts, I wanted
> to highlight it again.
> * Personal opinion here, but your event seems organized somehow around the
> facilities/efforts put together by Astricon/Asterisk team to get people in
> Orlando. It is announced as a public event, on several open source
> projects, like Kamailio or FreeSwitch, but Asterisk is left out (or at
> least I couldn't see any announcement on Asterisk Users/Business lists). If
> you invited all of us here, thousands people in Kamailio Users list, maybe
> this could have been done as something more official with the organizers of
> the main event. It's usual that various groups organize themselves in sort
> of private meetings/gatherings/parties at world wide events, discussing
> among them, but doing it in this mode looks more like a cheap way of
> advertising.
>
> The sponsors of your event promote themselves as "known sponsors and
> contributors to the OpenSouce Telecom Community". If Asterisk doesn't
> qualify for open source telecom, then likely no one else qualifies. Or
> maybe the meaning of "OpenSouce Telecom Community" is like: hey, I use an
> open source telephony project, so I am also part of the "OpenSouce Telecom
> Community", so I am going to "sponsor" myself some drinks, thus now I am
> now "sponsor and contributor to the OpenSouce Telecom Community".
>
> Also, the sponsors have very little or nothing to do with Kamailio
> project. Moreover, various people involved there, among the sponsors and
> the others, had aggressive campaigns against Kamailio project and its
> developers in the past. After saying left and right that Kamailio has
> incapable developers and it is going to die as a project, but 10 years late
> they find our project and community interesting ... huh.
>
> * I see a photo that includes me on the web page of your event. It would
> have been polite to at least ask if I am fine with, not to say that it is
> illegal to do it with the privacy laws in European Union. Maybe I agreed
> that pictures that capture me at some past events (in this case Astricon
> 2017) can be used by the organizers of the event, but for sure I didn't
> agree to be used by others for promoting of events not related to me,
> Kamailio or the original event. And if you think of asking now: I am not.
>
> It happens also that I attended all Kamailio World editions, so the
> statement in your event web page that "You've seen us at ... Kamailio
> World" is unclear. Who is "us"? I see in the page  faces that were never at
> KW as well as sponsors that had nothing to do with the event or with
> Kamailio project.
>
> To conclude: maybe the event is well intended, I expect it is, but beside
> giving an email address and posting a day+time, no other info about the
> persons that are the main organizers, the location, the capacity and
> acceptance rules, ... it is just trying to highlight some sponsors and
> various persons, so instead of (hoping) its well intended scope, it looks
> like advertising purposes by a bunch of opportunistic companies and people.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> On 04.10.18 16:54, Giovanni Maruzzelli wrote:
>
> Hello friends and collegues,
>
> A nice get together has been organized for evening Wednesday 10th at 7pm
>
> The idea is to have drinks and chitchat about opensource telephony and
> webrtc, and all opensource project founders, members, and practitioners are
> invited.
>
> Please join me, as distinguished participants too!
>
> Check it out at  http://party.officering.com
>
> (no animals has been harmed in this mail)
>
> -giovanni
>
> --
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Giovanni Maruzzelli
> OpenTelecom.IT
> cell: +39 347 266 56 18
>
>
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