<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Ok, is evident I am completely unable in this things, I totally see I am.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sorry to have screwed up, I was well meaning (as you hinted), and I will definitely change my attitude in future.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sorry again, I just wanted (and I see I was superficial and wrong) to extend invitation to party, with no other interest than being seen as a nice guy, btw I am not organizing it and I believe the organizers are actively reaching to Asterisk community, maybe the organizers are not the most efficients party organizers. I am not yet subscribed to asterisk mailing list, that is why I have not put it in copy (also, now I understand is bad to send messages to multiple mailing lists).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyway, I am sad, I do it wrongly (totally clear now to me), I apologize, it will not happen again in future. That is sure.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-giovanni</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 10:26 Daniel-Constantin Mierla <<a href="mailto:miconda@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">miconda@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hello,</p>
<p>there are couple of aspects to clarify with your kind of approach
here.<br>
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<p>* First, because you did it couple of times, email good manners
say not to send a message to many recipients that have no close
relation between them. You addressed many of your past emails to
couple of mailing lists:</p>
<p> - if you think the members overlap, then send to only one,
everyone will get it from there<br>
- if you don't think the above and the communities are
different, send independent messages to each of your recipients or
put them on bcc. After all, copy&paste is cheap, takes few
more seconds, but is done properly. We encourage Reply-All in your
community, when someone sends an email with recipient in no
relation with themselves and our project, even worse with
subscribe-only mailing lists, it doesn't play nice</p>
<p>* Users mailing list here is for discussions about using
Kamailio. If you do a presentation or something else that doesn't
involve directly Kamailio, even if you think some aspects there
can be interesting, this is not the forum for it. Use business
list or contact first the Kamailio project admin or management
groups to figure out where is the most appropriate place to post
your message. It was suggested by others for your past posts, I
wanted to highlight it again.<br>
</p>
* Personal opinion here, but your event seems organized somehow
around the facilities/efforts put together by Astricon/Asterisk team
to get people in Orlando. It is announced as a public event, on
several open source projects, like Kamailio or FreeSwitch, but
Asterisk is left out (or at least I couldn't see any announcement on
Asterisk Users/Business lists). If you invited all of us here,
thousands people in Kamailio Users list, maybe this could have been
done as something more official with the organizers of the main
event. It's usual that various groups organize themselves in sort of
private meetings/gatherings/parties at world wide events, discussing
among them, but doing it in this mode looks more like a cheap way of
advertising.<br>
<br>
The sponsors of your event promote themselves as "known sponsors and
contributors to the OpenSouce Telecom Community". If Asterisk
doesn't qualify for open source telecom, then likely no one else
qualifies. Or maybe the meaning of "OpenSouce Telecom Community" is
like: hey, I use an open source telephony project, so I am also part
of the "OpenSouce Telecom Community", so I am going to "sponsor"
myself some drinks, thus now I am now "sponsor and contributor to
the OpenSouce Telecom Community".<br>
<br>
Also, the sponsors have very little or nothing to do with Kamailio
project. Moreover, various people involved there, among the sponsors
and the others, had aggressive campaigns against Kamailio project
and its developers in the past. After saying left and right that
Kamailio has incapable developers and it is going to die as a
project, but 10 years late they find our project and community
interesting ... huh.<br>
<br>
* I see a photo that includes me on the web page of your event. It
would have been polite to at least ask if I am fine with, not to say
that it is illegal to do it with the privacy laws in European Union.
Maybe I agreed that pictures that capture me at some past events (in
this case Astricon 2017) can be used by the organizers of the event,
but for sure I didn't agree to be used by others for promoting of
events not related to me, Kamailio or the original event. And if you
think of asking now: I am not.<br>
<br>
It happens also that I attended all Kamailio World editions, so the
statement in your event web page that "You've seen us at ...
Kamailio World" is unclear. Who is "us"? I see in the page faces
that were never at KW as well as sponsors that had nothing to do
with the event or with Kamailio project.<br>
<br>
To conclude: maybe the event is well intended, I expect it is, but
beside giving an email address and posting a day+time, no other info
about the persons that are the main organizers, the location, the
capacity and acceptance rules, ... it is just trying to highlight
some sponsors and various persons, so instead of (hoping) its well
intended scope, it looks like advertising purposes by a bunch of
opportunistic companies and people.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello friends and collegues,<br>
<br clear="all">
A nice get together has been organized for evening Wednesday
10th at 7pm<br>
<br>
The idea is to have drinks and chitchat about opensource
telephony and webrtc, and all opensource project founders,
members, and practitioners are invited.<br>
<br>
Please join me, as distinguished participants too!<br>
<br>
Check it out at <a href="http://party.officering.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://party.officering.com</a><br>
<br>
(no animals has been harmed in this mail)<br>
<br>
-giovanni<br clear="all">
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Sincerely,<br>
</span><span><font color="#888888"><br>
Giovanni Maruzzelli<br>
OpenTelecom.IT</font></span><br>
<span>cell: +39 347 266 56 18<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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