[Users] Re: [Serusers] voip charging by ISP's

[Roger Lewau]

Hello

Interesting thought, but I dont see why there would be a need or even a wish 
to charge once for the Internet access with an agreed Speed or data transfer 
limit, and then again for the type of traffic unless that specific traffic 
is treated differently in the ISP network, as wth higher CoS. Why else would 
they care what kind of traffic you are running on your connection as long it 
is kept within the agreed speed/data transfer limit? But giving voip traffic 
different CoS over the providers network as a differentiator to enable voice 
traffic billing does not seem logical unless all providers on Internet do 
the same, and map the CoS between the providers at peering points.

I do not see how the VoIP providers would ever accept such an approach from 
any ISP. 

IP traffic is IP Traffic! You pay for the amount of traffic you send and 
receive. More traffic equals higher revenue for the ISP, no need to charge 
traffic differently just because the traffic happens to be VoIP and the ISP 
has its roots in Telecom industry. I believe that the natural development of 
this would be that most of the ISPs also start to offer the VoIP services. 
It make a lot more sense to use the ISP as the VoIP provider than any remote 
provider, since that will increase performance, reliability and make the 
whole 911 issue and technical troubleshooting a lot easier. I strongly 
believe that the ISPs at all levels will most likely replace the old PTTs 
over the next 5-10 years. And in the case of PTTs also being an ISP, lucky 
them.

I think, Companies like Vonage probably will be outrun by ISPs providing 
VoIP in the long run, but they will stay behind as alternate providers or as 
gateways to the old pstn networks. 

Regards
Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Iqbal <iqbal at gigo.co.uk>
To: "serusers at iptel.org" <serusers at iptel.org>
Cc: "users openser.org" <users at openser.org>
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:54:35 +0000
Subject: [Serusers] voip charging by ISP's

> Hi
> 
> i was looking into a model where ISP may charge (SBC is already thiking
> of charging Vonage :-)), now if an ISP wanted to charge, all they would
> need is to extract the INVITE, BYE and all the stuff in the middle, to 
> do some billing per VoIP provider sending traffic on there network, is 
> anyone aware of any sniffers which could do this not from a proxy, but 
> from the network level at a ISP end.
> 
> Iqbal
> 
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