[Serusers] Re: [Devel] Re: [Serdev] OpenSER release

[Daniel-Constantin Mierla]

Hello,

On 06/15/05 11:56, Klaus Darilion wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> It's good to see that there are people encouraged to improve ser and 
> integrating new features. It was also obvious, that iptel was not 
> happy about the open TLS code.
>
> Nevertheless, a split is not only the best way. I'm a user - not a 
> developer. For users this is getting a nightmare. I have to subscribe 
> to the openser mailinglists and read both of them. There are still 
> emails from people asking if they should use rtpproxy or mediaproxy. 
> There are also several avp modules and yet I refused using them as I 
> do not know which I should use. Now imagine, how many emails we have 
> to answer from people asking which version of ser they should use - 
> and the worst thing, there is no easy answer.

the life is not easy -- from here starts all. Each one tries to make it 
easier for him, I agree with that. We have to choose very day -- when we 
buy a car, a house, decide about a job ... nobody knows what was better 
at the end, maybe the time will prove something.

>
>
> Some features will be only in the main ser, others will be only in 
> openser. Although you state that you will incorporate patches to the 
> main ser, I'm sure your business will grow and you don't have the time 
> to maintain two versions of ser - and synchronize patches.

Here is the point! What would you feel if the whole SER team would leave 
the project for a closed-source development or some other business. It 
may be possible or not. There are few other people that can take over. I 
don't want to have my work closed when I will retire or I will be too 
busy -- most of it was done in my free time. That is the problem right 
now. Some were too busy (I suppose and I hope :-) that was the reason) 
but they didn't want to allow further evolution. Everyone tries to prove 
that its ideas are the best and there is no space for improvement.

Business is the motivation for all SER users, I do not think that is 
someone that do stuff with SER just because he has no other thing to do 
-- many work for companies that use SER, others do studies and use ser 
for projects... So the business behind is the engine for development.

I consider that people that were proved to understand and support SER to 
be allowed to drive the development of the project when the other are 
busy or retired.

>
>
> Please, dont forget the users.

It is why we try to make the users more important. The success of SER is 
due to its users. No one could have promote an open source project to be 
at this stage than the users community. The merits are for developers, 
but without users, there is no glory or business behind. They have 
invested a lot time and money in SER (eg., only by advertising it), so 
they should feel safe using SER further.


Daniel

>
> regards,
> klaus
>
>
> Bogdan-Andrei Iancu wrote:
>
>> Hi SER community,
>>
>> there are almost two years from the last official SER release and 
>> things do not promise too much right now. Not only that the progress 
>> stuck somewhere on the way (rel 0.9.0 was started more than half a 
>> year ago), but even any attempt to push thing forward seems to be 
>> denied - I tried along with Daniel to push the release, but seems 
>> that not everybody shares our and comunity's interest regarding the 
>> public part of SER - upgrades were rolled back, new software 
>> contributions haven't found their way in (like TLS and other new 
>> modules), modules maintained by other developers are inaccessible.
>>
>> Unfortunately this is not a good environment if we what to have some 
>> future progress for SER. And this is the main reason for starting a 
>> new project called OpenSER - http://www.openser.org .
>>
>> It's called open because its most important attribute is its opening 
>> to new ideas and contributions, fast developing and more involvement 
>> of the comunity. Along with quality, the progress is the main concern.
>> We will continue to support and develop the SER project as much as so 
>> far and as much as possible, but OpenSER will give the liberty for more.
>>
>> OpenSER serves the interest of all SER users and will not change its 
>> purpose - as a fact I have the pleasure to announce its first release 
>> - OpenSER 0.9.4. The web site offers a comprehensive listing of new 
>> features and fixes - http://www.openser.org/index.php#features. For 
>> people already familiar to SER 0.9.3, going to 
>> http://www.openser.org/diffs-0.9.0.php will be more helpful.
>>
>> Also the documentation (http://www.openser.org/index.php#docs) will 
>> help for a better understanding of this release. For any additional 
>> question please use the project mailing lists:
>>
>>    users at openser.org - dedicated for general purpose discussions 
>> about OpenSER stable releases.
>>    devel at openser.org - dedicated for discussions related to 
>> development version and next steps of OpenSER.
>>
>> bogdan
>>
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