[Serusers] SIP Express Router now is commercial????

Greger V. Teigre greger at teigre.com
Wed Sep 14 12:24:26 CEST 2005


Hi Daniel-Constantin,
I'm sorry that you feel offended by my summary.

    My summary you just commented on, as well as the perspectives found in 
the Getting Started document are attempts at presenting gathered experience 
and understanding to the benefit of new users and the community in general. 
You guys, the developers, will always be closer to where things happen, and 
the rest of us try to keep up with what happens. On the other hand, being on 
the outside as mere users we sometimes see things differently than 
iptelorg.com and voice system and other developers.

So, thanks for your feedback and I look forward to your continued 
corrections in the future (note: not intended ironic, even though it may 
sound like it).
    See below for my comments and questions for further clarifications.

Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
> Just to point the proper information where is the case ...
>
> On 09/13/05 10:59, Greger V. Teigre wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, Tekelec bought iptelorg.com with its intellectual property
>> (commercial extensions/extras/related software to SER) and its
>> employees. Iptel.org was NOT part of the deal and is still sponsored
>> by FOKUS Fraunhofer (as stated on the iptel.org website).  SER is an
>> independent GPL project and Tekelec cannot do anything about that.
>>    However, iptelorg.com sponsored development resources on the open
>> source SER. Tekelec is free to decide to stop this sponsoring. I
>> cannot see how this can be in their interest, but if the focus on the
>> development they want to do with SER is too far away the open source
>> project, the project may not give Tekelec enough value. If this
>> happens, the developers must decide whether to continue in their
>> spare time, quit SER development, or look for employment with another
>> company willing to sponsor hours on open source SER development.  In
>> addition, SER has MANY other developers who were not involved at all
>> with iptelorg.com. Of course, as some of the most active coders were
>> with iptelorg.com, such a decision may impact SER's development.
>>    Also, note that the OpenSER project has branched off and is hosted
>> and controlled by Voice System.
>
> this is not true, see the management board and you can make a simple
> computation to see if Voice System controls openser
> (http://openser.org/management.php). I do not want to open any other
> flame of war, but let's try to tell the truth.

Excellent! I was not aware of that. With limited time I cannot follow 
everything (and yes, I don't follow openser lists, sorry about that), I see 
I'm about two weeks behind the news :-)  Adrian, Juha, and Klaus are 
excellent folks with lots of experience.  However, again from an outsider's 
perspective: The core developers are Voice System only and even though I 
agree that "controls" is not the right word, I would still insist that Voice 
System has a pretty heavy influence on openser.  As my post was related to 
Tekelec, I would also say that in this context such control is part of the 
safety that users can feel in openser not being affected by the acquisition.
BTW, the openser site still states that the project is managed by Voice 
System developers:
http://openser.org/about.php
You may want to change that ;-)

>>   The Voice System developers are not affected by the Tekelec deal.
>> However, as OpenSER tries to incorporate SER code development into
>> its own code base, OpenSER will be equally affected if those
>> contributing this SER code are prevented from working on the code in
>> their day-time job.
>
> I am pretty sure that you talked with people from the management board
> of openser and this is the answer you got, or?!?! Am I wrong? The
> truth is something else, openser development was not (and is not
> going to be) affected by any iptelorg.com/tekelec deal.

And that's exactly what I state.  Except that since openser has a published 
policy to stay compatible with ser (ex. the openser faq and from the 
discussion after the creation of openser). This implies that ser development 
will be merged into openser (I have also seen that you actually do this, ex. 
the ser experimental modules), which again means that openser will be 
affected by reduced ser development. I agree that this can be misunderstood.

I will correct the error regarding management and be a bit clearer on this 
issue and re-post.

> See the list
> of new features and bug fixes present now in openser. Also, I am sure
> that you did some statistics to see how much code different companies
> have sponsored/contributed to ser and you base your conclusions on
> that (just look after copyright).

No, I haven't and I don't really care who contributed what. That was not the 
point either. Who contributed what in GPL ser/openser is hardly relevant to 
the Tekelec acquisition of iptelorg.com.  I think you guys do a great job 
developing new features, I would love to get access to those.  I just wish 
they would be part of an early-and-often release system in one, single 
project where today's ser could be the stable release and openser the 
early-and-often releases.  As it is today, onsip.org had to stay with ser 
only (we are over-worked already maintaining and developing new issues, and 
choosing ser makes sense due to the better compatibility over to openser).

So, Daniel, you accuse me of not telling the truth and mock me for not being 
updated or doing analysis on code.  ONsip.org and the ONsip.org volunteers 
do contribute a lot to getting people up and running on ser and openser. I 
am sure both projects benefits a great from this in increased community and 
more knowledgable users.
    I invite you or other openser guys to keep a continued dialog directly 
with one of us instead of through such public corrections. Thus you can make 
sure that we don't make uninformed conclusions.
    And BTW, if you want to help out in maintaining configuration files that 
are more adapted to openser (where there are openser "ways of doing 
things"), you are very welcome to contribute to the on-going ONsip.org 
effort.

Regards,
Greger

>>
>>
>> g-)
>>
>> carlos ivan grajales wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> And now what Tekelec bought to iptelorg that it will
>>> be of SER??? your users list??? and GPL software ???
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> CArlos Ivan Grajales M.
>>> Colombia, South America
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>> won't send a reply
>>>>       for ACK!! (GT)
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 04:12:08 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: tulay sazak <tulaysazak at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: [Serusers] I cannot compile "check_from()"
>>>> method although I
>>>> load module "uri"
>>>> To: serusers at lists.iptel.org
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <20050911111208.51148.qmail at web52108.mail.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Hello everbody,
>>>>
>>>> I loaded module "uri" and my ser.cfg is as below:
>>>>
>>>> .....
>>>> loadmodule "/usr/local/lib/ser/modules/uri.so"
>>>> .....
>>>> if (method=="INVITE") {
>>>>   if (!radius_proxy_authorize("iptel.org")) {
>>>>     proxy_challenge("iptel.org", "1");
>>>>     break;
>>>>   }
>>>>
>>>>   if (!check_from()) {
>>>>     sl_send_reply("403", "Forbidden");
>>>>     break;
>>>>   }
>>>> }
>>>> ........
>>>>
>>>> When I run ser, it says:
>>>>
>>>>  0(10457) find_export: <check_from> not found
>>>>  0(10457) find_export: <check_from> not found
>>>>  0(10457) parse error (183,35-36): unknown command,
>>>> missing loadmodule?
>>>>
>>>> Can you see what am I doing wrong ??
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Tulay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:05:54 +0200
>>>> From: Amos Nungu <amos.nungu at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [Serusers] Compilation Error on Mac OS
>>>> (Darwin) - SEMS..
>>>> To: serusers at lists.iptel.org
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <86caff8805091106053263560b at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> I'm installing SEMS-0.9 on Mac OS (Darwin 8.2.0).
>>>> upon running the make
>>>> all command, I got an error as shown below
>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>> # make all
>>>> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `deps'.
>>>> g++ -o sems AmApi.o AmAudio.o AmCmd.o AmConfig.o
>>>> AmEventQueue.o
>>>> AmIcmpWatcher.o AmMail.o AmPlugIn.o AmRequest.o
>>>> AmRtpPacket.o
>>>> AmRtpPacketTracer.o AmRtpScheduler.o AmRtpStream.o
>>>> AmSdp.o AmServer.o
>>>> AmSession.o AmSmtpClient.o AmThread.o AmUtils.o
>>>> EmailTemplate.o
>>>> SemsConfiguration.o SerClient.o SerDBQuery.o log.o
>>>> sems.o -lm -ldl
>>>> -lsocket -lnsl -lpthread
>>>> /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -lsocket
>>>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>>>> make[1]: *** [sems] Error 1
>>>> make: [all] Error 2 (ignored)
>>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any idea on how to go about it will be great.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:19:03 +0200 (CEST)
>>>> From: harry gaillac <gaillacharry at yahoo.fr>
>>>> Subject: [Serusers] call me
>>>> To: serusers at lists.iptel.org
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
>>> <20050911171904.17161.qmail at web25502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> hello,
>>>>
>>>> Please to call me at for tests.
>>>>
>>>> sip:84 at nxs;yi.org
>>>> or
>>>> sip:85 at nxs;yi.org
>>>> or
>>>> sip:86 at nxs;yi.org
>>>> or
>>>> sip:87 at nxs;yi.org
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Harry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:11:26 -0800
>>>> From: "GT" <geotelcom at yahoo.fr>
>>>> Subject: [Serusers] SER + Mediaproxy sl_send_reply:
>>>> I won't send a
>>>> reply for ACK!!
>>>> To: serusers at lists.iptel.org <serusers at lists.iptel.org>
>>>> Message-ID: <20050911181312.D169319C6 at fox.iptel.org>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
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