[Serusers] why would a client behave differently for nat onoutbound as opposed to inbound

Sun Apr 3 17:19:58 CEST 2005

Hi

Heres the trace

NOTE : Internal IP are exactly how they are, external been search and
replaced. Taken using ngrep

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U 2005/04/03 16:14:47.352103 223.78.240.109:1024 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
INVITE sip:040600 at sip.domain.com SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.20.3;branch=z9hG4bK6afda005df28ce2f.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>.
Contact: <sip:040618 at 192.168.20.3>.
Supported: replaces.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15178 INVITE.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 70.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
Content-Length: 340.
.
v=0.
o=040618 8000 0 IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
s=SIP Call.
c=IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
t=0 0.
m=audio 5004 RTP/AVP 0 8 4 18 2 15 99.
a=sendrecv.
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:4 G723/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:18 G729/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:2 G726-32/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:15 G728/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:99 iLBC/8000/3.
a=fmtp:99 mode=20.
a=ptime:20.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:47.390154 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:1024
SIP/2.0 407 Proxy Authentication Required.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;branch=z9hG4bK6afda005df28ce2f;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=bde2d0f39a3c31098b0c0a337d26256c.5b34.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15178 INVITE.
Proxy-Authenticate: Digest realm="sip.domain.com",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed".
Content-Length: 0.
Warning: 392 201.218.150.25:5060 "Noisy feedback tells:  pid=2783
req_src_ip=223.78.240.109 req_src_port=1024
in_uri=sip:040600 at sip.domain.com out_uri=sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060
via_cnt==1".
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:47.439305 223.78.240.109:1024 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
ACK sip:040600 at sip.domain.com SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.20.3;branch=z9hG4bK6afda005df28ce2f.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=bde2d0f39a3c31098b0c0a337d26256c.5b34.
Contact: <sip:040618 at 192.168.20.3>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15178 ACK.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 70.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:47.479407 223.78.240.109:1024 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
INVITE sip:040600 at sip.domain.com SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.20.3;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>.
Contact: <sip:040618 at 192.168.20.3>.
Supported: replaces.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at sip.domain.com",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="d4573559ec2e355755de825d8afb4a1f".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 70.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
Content-Length: 340.
.
v=0.
o=040618 8000 1 IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
s=SIP Call.
c=IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
t=0 0.
m=audio 5004 RTP/AVP 0 8 4 18 2 15 99.
a=sendrecv.
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:4 G723/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:18 G729/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:2 G726-32/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:15 G728/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:99 iLBC/8000/3.
a=fmtp:99 mode=20.
a=ptime:20.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:47.516822 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:1024
SIP/2.0 100 trying -- your call is important to us.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
Content-Length: 0.
Warning: 392 201.218.150.25:5060 "Noisy feedback tells:  pid=2786
req_src_ip=223.78.240.109 req_src_port=1024
in_uri=sip:040600 at sip.domain.com out_uri=sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060
via_cnt==1".
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:47.517367 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:5060
INVITE sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060 SIP/2.0.
Record-Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bKe94c.0d901766.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>.
Contact: <sip:040618 at 223.78.240.109:1024>.
Supported: replaces.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at sip.domain.com",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="d4573559ec2e355755de825d8afb4a1f".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 16.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
Content-Length: 340.
.
v=0.
o=040618 8000 1 IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
s=SIP Call.
c=IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
t=0 0.
m=audio 5004 RTP/AVP 0 8 4 18 2 15 99.
a=sendrecv.
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:4 G723/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:18 G729/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:2 G726-32/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:15 G728/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:99 iLBC/8000/3.
a=fmtp:99 mode=20.
a=ptime:20.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:47.968715 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:5060
INVITE sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060 SIP/2.0.
Record-Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bKe94c.0d901766.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>.
Contact: <sip:040618 at 223.78.240.109:1024>.
Supported: replaces.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at sip.domain.com",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="d4573559ec2e355755de825d8afb4a1f".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 16.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
Content-Length: 340.
.
v=0.
o=040618 8000 1 IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
s=SIP Call.
c=IN IP4 192.168.20.3.
t=0 0.
m=audio 5004 RTP/AVP 0 8 4 18 2 15 99.
a=sendrecv.
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:4 G723/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:18 G729/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:2 G726-32/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:15 G728/8000/3.
a=rtpmap:99 iLBC/8000/3.
a=fmtp:99 mode=20.
a=ptime:20.

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U 2005/04/03 16:14:49.718507 223.78.240.109:5060 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
SIP/2.0 100 Trying.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bKe94c.0d901766.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060>.
Record-Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
Server: X-Lite release 1103m.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:50.478983 223.78.240.109:5060 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
SIP/2.0 180 Ringing.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bKe94c.0d901766.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060>.
Record-Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
Server: X-Lite release 1103m.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:50.480364 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:1024
SIP/2.0 180 Ringing.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060>.
Record-Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
Server: X-Lite release 1103m.
Content-Length: 0.
.

############
U 2005/04/03 16:14:54.716498 223.78.240.109:5060 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
SIP/2.0 200 Ok.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bKe94c.0d901766.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060>.
Record-Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
Server: X-Lite release 1103m.
Content-Length: 200.
.
v=0.
o=040600 152816778 152823799 IN IP4 223.78.240.109.
s=X-Lite.
c=IN IP4 223.78.240.109.
t=0 0.
m=audio 8000 RTP/AVP 3 101.
a=rtpmap:3 gsm/8000.
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000.
a=fmtp:101 0-15.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:54.719442 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:1024
SIP/2.0 200 Ok.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;rport=1024;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1884d89b14226d43.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060>.
Record-Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 INVITE.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
Server: X-Lite release 1103m.
Content-Length: 200.
.
v=0.
o=040600 152816778 152823799 IN IP4 223.78.240.109.
s=X-Lite.
c=IN IP4 223.78.240.109.
t=0 0.
m=audio 8000 RTP/AVP 3 101.
a=rtpmap:3 gsm/8000.
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000.
a=fmtp:101 0-15.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:54.801450 223.78.240.109:1024 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
ACK sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060 SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.20.3;branch=z9hG4bK6044f43b5006eedc.
Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040618 at 192.168.20.3>.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="ca8ea99e9b8345bde6ccb263ffd5a038".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 ACK.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 70.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:14:54.803421 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:5060
ACK sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060 SIP/2.0.
Record-Route: <sip:201.218.150.25;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK6044f43b5006eedc.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040618 at 192.168.20.3>.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="ca8ea99e9b8345bde6ccb263ffd5a038".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15179 ACK.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 16.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#########
U 2005/04/03 16:15:00.913249 223.78.240.109:1024 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
BYE sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060 SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.20.3;branch=z9hG4bK1527872e4e616368.
Route:
<sip:040600 at 201.218.150.25:5060;nat=yes;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="5fd8e1f30a2924a53e44f8e9ad0abf47".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15180 BYE.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 70.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:15:00.948553 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:5060
BYE sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060 SIP/2.0.
Record-Route: <sip:201.218.150.25;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bK4a4c.3281602.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1527872e4e616368.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="5fd8e1f30a2924a53e44f8e9ad0abf47".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15180 BYE.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 16.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:15:00.993724 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:5060
BYE sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060 SIP/2.0.
Record-Route: <sip:201.218.150.25;ftag=a660434c00b83084;lr=on>.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bK4a4c.3281602.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1527872e4e616368.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Proxy-Authorization: DIGEST username="040618",
realm="sip.domain.com", algorithm=MD5,
uri="sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060",
nonce="42500993cb56f08d341fb7a29897c97250e955ed",
response="5fd8e1f30a2924a53e44f8e9ad0abf47".
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15180 BYE.
User-Agent: Grandstream HT487 1.0.5.18.
Max-Forwards: 16.
Allow: INVITE,ACK,CANCEL,BYE,NOTIFY,REFER,OPTIONS,INFO,SUBSCRIBE.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:15:01.086530 223.78.240.109:5060 -> 201.218.150.25:5060
SIP/2.0 200 Ok.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 201.218.150.25;branch=z9hG4bK4a4c.3281602.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1527872e4e616368.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
Contact: <sip:040600 at 223.78.240.109:5060>.
Call-ID: fdef3f406ba21473 at 192.168.20.3.
CSeq: 15180 BYE.
Server: X-Lite release 1103m.
Content-Length: 0.
.

#
U 2005/04/03 16:15:01.087731 201.218.150.25:5060 -> 223.78.240.109:5060
SIP/2.0 200 Ok.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
192.168.20.3;received=223.78.240.109;branch=z9hG4bK1527872e4e616368.
From: "Iqbal" <sip:040618 at sip.domain.com>;tag=a660434c00b83084.
To: <sip:040600 at sip.domain.com>;tag=1718523.
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On 4/3/2005, "Greger V. Teigre" <greger at teigre.com> wrote:

>Iqbal,
>post a trace of the INVITE and OK going from HT to xlite (taken on the SER
>server).
>g-)
>
>Iqbal wrote:
>> Couldnt think of a better subject, basically I have a handytone (HT) ,
>> and a xlite behind the same router, which is natting. SER is external
>>
>> Now when I call HT to xlite I hear absolutely nothing in either
>> direction, and nuthing except for a request from xlite hits the
>> mediaproxy...but when xlite calls HT, mediaproxy lights up like a xmas
>> tree, and all is well.
>>
>> What I can see is that if the router is the same one, then surely
>> something in the HT settings (I have no NAT traversal set in HT)
>> causing this, or something in xlite telling it what to do, I just
>> cant see what.
>>
>> Oh xlite/HT to pstn works fine, and inbound from pstn to HT/xlite is
>> also fine voice both ways.
>>
>> Iqbal
>>
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