There's been a lot of virtual slander of the work in the IETF on this list lately... I keep wondering, why doesn't people like us start working more in the IETF and change stuff? Are we not patience enough, are we not brilliant enough? For myself I can't spend much time on it, since it doesn't generate any immediate revenue. There's a lot of stuff I could do, but at the end of the month, I would have no salary that pays for food... It's quite simple. Which means that the result in the IETF is far away from reality and that we reach further separation between IETF SIP and practical implementations, which is BAD for the overall community. /O