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<p>OK guys, one by one, one step forward! :-)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01.04.18 12:39, Yuriy Gorlichenko
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<div dir="ltr">Товарищ подполковник! Алексей Балашов нас выдал!!!!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Le dim. 1 avr. 2018 00:44, Alex
Balashov <<a
href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>>
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by the Geostrategic Open Source Alliance.)<br>
<br>
ATLANTA, GA (1 April 2018)--In a twist of events
that has shocked the global<br>
technical community, the well-known open-source VoIP
professional Alex Balashov<br>
has revealed himself to be a deep cover intelligence
operative of the GRU<br>
(Main Intelligence Directorate of the military of
the Russian Federation) and<br>
the FSB (the Federal Security Bureau, the successor
agency to the Soviet-era<br>
KGB).<br>
<br>
Balashov was reported to be seeking US political
asylum and immunity from<br>
prosecution in return for an exposé of the ways in
which the Russian foreign<br>
intelligence apparatus has sought to influence the
direction of the open-source<br>
communications project "Kamailio", widely used in
telecommunications carrier,<br>
service provider and enterprise environments to
deliver high-scalability<br>
routing services and other SIP (Session Initiation
Protocol) platform building<br>
blocks.<br>
<br>
In connection with these sensitive ongoing
negotiations, Balashov was debriefed<br>
on behalf of the US Government by Fred Posner of The
Palner Group, a<br>
counterintelligence think tank and security
consulting firm based in<br>
Gainesville, Florida. This debriefing was
coordinated with the German BND<br>
(Bundesnachrichtendienst) agency and other agencies
representing security<br>
cooperation partners of the European Union and NATO.<br>
<br>
GOSA have been able to obtain exclusive excerpts
from the portions of this<br>
interview not deemed top secret:<br>
<br>
<br>
POSNER: Please state your full name, age, place of
birth, physical<br>
characteristics, serial number and any other
relevant professional asset<br>
identification markers.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: [redacted]<br>
<br>
POSNER: You have made the claim that Kamailio has
been infiltrated by Russian<br>
spy agencies. Given that it's an open-source
project, that's a bold and<br>
provocative claim. Where's the evidence?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Infiltration is perhaps strong word from
spy novels. Reality is less<br>
thrilling. As you are knowing from controversy about
election of our Donald,<br>
covert global influence today is mainly question of
soft power.<br>
<br>
POSNER: Is there an obvious way in which this
applies to the Kamailio project<br>
you can show us? I remind you that you have staked
your personal freedom on<br>
this issue.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Influence is delicate matter. Da, of
course there are some<br>
superficial indications...<br>
<br>
POSNER: Such as?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: For example module to support language
Squirrel. What is Squirrel?<br>
Who uses it? If you take a look at code is a bit
complicated, da? What does it<br>
do?<br>
<br>
POSNER: It is a bit complicated, But I'm not
convinced. Sell me.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: It was in fact committed to GitHub by
former Eastern Bloc<br>
personality, yes? Very complicated code for unknown
mystery language support<br>
from Eastern Europe...<br>
<br>
POSNER: Yes, from the main developer and leader of
the project.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Hmm.<br>
<br>
POSNER: What else?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: There is a Ukranian [redacted] who is in
charge of many SIP captures<br>
with system which diverts them to central database,
yes? Something with name<br>
from ancient Greek troubadour or myths maybe?<br>
<br>
POSNER: We'll have to look into that.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Kamailio World is held every year in East
Berlin. Every year back to<br>
Berlin.<br>
<br>
POSNER: So what?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Where do most guests of it spend their
night?<br>
<br>
POSNER: [audible crack of pistol whip] This is not a
quiz show! I ask the<br>
questions here.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Yes, yes, okay, they are at the Park Inn
at Alexanderplatz.<br>
<br>
POSNER: And?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: The history of this hotel in East German
times and Stasi presence<br>
there...<br>
<br>
POSNER: That aspect of history is well-known.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Da... then is clear.<br>
<br>
POSNER: What are the strategic goals of Russia with
regard to open source<br>
communication infrastructure?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: From news lately can be seen that is soft
power leveraging and<br>
economic sabotage.<br>
<br>
POSNER: Economic sabotage? How will they achieve
that with open source?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Again is question of delicate influence in
small ways. This is not<br>
time of Arab dignitaries visiting KGB hotels in
Moscow in 1970s or this kind of<br>
naked and obvious trick.<br>
<br>
POSNER: [raises pistol] You are here to provide
specifics.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Yes yes, okay. Well, I am not policy
architect at Khoroshovskoe<br>
Shosse, but general point of view with colleagues is
that best approach to<br>
Western countries is to encourage kind of
"boondoggles" [air quotes] which<br>
consume large economic resources with very little
benefit.<br>
<br>
POSNER: Does Russia create boondoggles in America?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: No no. We don't have this level of direct
influence to create per se.<br>
You can see from recent activities of Internet
Research Agency for example that<br>
the successful approach is the one which will
amplify or grow existing<br>
boondoggles which lead to kind of systemic
dysfunction, through for example<br>
injection of kind of "memes" [air quote gesture] and
"trolls" [air quote<br>
gesture].<br>
<br>
POSNER: Where has Russia been successful at this
specifically as it relates to<br>
the Kamailio, the VoIP industry, and real-time
communications?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: The GRU are very successful at
disinformation campaign to convince<br>
business executives about cloud things. They are
always listening to our<br>
"thought leadership" [air quote gesture] to move to
cloud, mostly Amazon Web<br>
Services, which is great for us since is worst
possible approach. At industry<br>
events our people are always pushing very much cloud
cloud cloud, you know,<br>
like a stampede of rhinoceroses to cloud, don't miss
out on cloud! Don't be<br>
left on the ground, fly away to cloud! We have great
podcas--<br>
<br>
POSNER: --stop. But there is a legitimate value
proposition for service<br>
providers in moving to the cloud, isn't there?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Yes, for some maybe, but for example AWS
is platform not designed at<br>
all for telecom, is kind of Node.js and Ruby on
Rails hosting service.<br>
<br>
POSNER: Where is the economic sabotage?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Well they are spending one month $30,000
to Amazon, next month<br>
$35,000, next month $40,000, always bigger
instances, bigger, bigger, to handle<br>
even very basic work. Official sexy seduction
mythology is you can fire all the<br>
system admins and no longer replace hard drives at 3
AM and forget all this<br>
messing with hardware.<br>
<br>
Is very hard to resist for big business leaders who
follow classical Western<br>
management consulting sermon from 90s about "divest
yourself of non-core<br>
competencies" [air quote gesture]. You know, it is
same advice they come to<br>
give to us in Gaidar and Yeltsin days. From my
memory was not working out well<br>
until First Marshal Putin took different approach...<br>
<br>
POSNER: Let's stay focused. Surely companies can run
the numbers for themselves<br>
and see if it makes sense for them?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Maybe, but where we have the success is in
the exploit of the fear of<br>
missing out, I think is called "FOMO" [air quote
gesture] nowadays. Everyone is<br>
moving to cloud, don't get left behind, even if unit
economics of it are<br>
disaster for your product and your company. Have you
heard about the cloud?<br>
It's future!<br>
<br>
POSNER: And this has been successful?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Hard to measure but for example there is
major increase in mailing<br>
list posts about putting Kamailio in Amazon EC2,
EC2, endless EC2 from people<br>
for whom it is obviously wrong thing. Lots of wheels
spinnink, spinnik, making<br>
fire and sparks, light and heat going into cold,
empty outer space, to keep warm<br>
our GLONASS satellites. But where is result? All
cost increase. And still the<br>
$3000/mo instance does not process small amount of
packets that is nothing for<br>
bare metal server.<br>
<br>
Meanwhile spendink, spendink, solvink big amounts of
kind of fake problems... I<br>
heard this expression once in Atlanta, "keep up with
Jones" [air quote<br>
gesture]. I don't know who is Jones but everyone
agrees is very important to<br>
keep up with h--<br>
<br>
POSNER: --back up. Fake problems?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Maybe is better word: unnecessary problems
that come from way AWS<br>
inside workings. Stupid network constraints, stupid
puzzles for puzzle-solvers.<br>
What is American term, "eager beaver" [air quote
gesture]?<br>
<br>
POSNER: Apart from tying up resources, how does this
enthusiasm for AWS help<br>
Russia?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Well it should be obvious that having
whole industry pay huge premium<br>
price to centralise their infrastructure at one
entity is both economically<br>
wasteful and precarious. Fragile and expensive setup
is like our Soviet economy<br>
at end of eighties. Also havink resemblance to
old-times mainframe computing is<br>
top secret irony nobody sees.<br>
<br>
POSNER: Where else is Russia seeding economically
harmful memes?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Other big initiative is encourage huge
overinvestment in WebRTC<br>
because is supposedly future of real-time
communications.<br>
<br>
POSNER: But WebRTC is real.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Da, of course, sometimes workink fine, but
eats up big engineering<br>
capital and talent fighting always browser bugs and
incompatible<br>
implementations and always changink changink
changink. Meanwhile who is caring<br>
for fundamental SIP services?<br>
<br>
POSNER: And this is a form of economic sabotage?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Of course is sabotage. If you can make
much of a sector of economy to<br>
obsess always about some toy and create kind of echo
chamber of "visionary"<br>
[air quote gesture] commentary about it it is
negative for GDP and innovation.<br>
<br>
"Vision" has shown the big success for us; is
perfect concept in hand of<br>
intelligence agency because nobody is knowing what
it is but everyone so<br>
desperate to show they have it.<br>
<br>
POSNER: So a large-scale movement of VoIP service
providers to the cloud and<br>
big development around WebRTC represent Russian
attempts at sabotage of the<br>
Western real-time communications industry?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Well again, these tendencies are existing
before. It is more question<br>
of amplifying and boosting and promoting them so
many actors are distracted<br>
from important things. American business guys are
very vulnerable to it; every<br>
time they are asking, "this does not seem to be
worth it for us?", always they<br>
hear from friends at country club, "you need more
bold vision and company<br>
culture of innovation, my friend".<br>
<br>
We have learned after some years and applying KGB
psychology training to<br>
exploit their big personal insecurities about many
things. For example they see<br>
competitor have Cloud Business Analytics, they too
must have now Cloud Business<br>
Analytics, not for any reason, just fear,
insecurity, the angst about not<br>
having enough "Big Data" [air quote gesture].<br>
<br>
POSNER: What else?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: In recent years can be found thought
leadership to remove direct<br>
sales because is inefficient, too high customer
acquisition cost and so forth.<br>
Always now resellers, channel partners this and
master agents that. Common<br>
sense shows industry cannot support chain with big
depth of reseller of<br>
reseller of reseller with everyone wanting to be
reseller and nobody selling<br>
actual products to the real people.<br>
<br>
POSNER: That's not new to telecom.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: No, no, but now new twist! They are now
having everything "as a<br>
service" [air quote gesture], platform-aaS,
infrastructure-aaS...<br>
<br>
POSNER: Okay?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: But also now infrastructure
management-as-a-service and kind of meta<br>
approach, management-of-management-of-<wbr>platform-aaS.
Resellers of resale<br>
platforms of platforms of platforms.<br>
<br>
Maybe not quite clear, but this is special recursive
sense of humour tradition<br>
in Russia. Put endless things inside things inside
things like matryoshka<br>
doll. Again--<br>
<br>
POSNER: --matryoshka? Like the Russian nesting doll?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Yes yes, nesting doll.<br>
<br>
As I was saying key point is lots of "activity and
buzz" [air quote gesture]<br>
which is parasitism by another name. Lots of energy
and enthusiasm, big<br>
banners, hype from UC press, LinkedIn Pulse CTO
insights, cheerleadink, but<br>
where is result?<br>
<br>
POSNER: How is this all tied to Kamailio?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Some of it is not directly tied. It is
more idea that Kamailio is<br>
tool for executing "big ideas" [air quote gesture]
and "platform plays" [air<br>
quote gesture].<br>
<br>
When you are reading mailing list post like, "how to
scale up with Kamailio to<br>
deliver cloud WebRTC solutions for the enterprise?"
and wonder with yourself<br>
"from where this small guy got such 'big ideas'?" is
often result of<br>
Russian-sponsored so-called thought leadership. Who
is he? He does not have<br>
enterprise!<br>
<br>
POSNER: What's wrong with that question?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Well from our point of view nothing; great
question, bold and<br>
inspiring! We are encouraging them always to go
build grandiose megalomania<br>
ideas, telling to them, yes, "boil the ocean", "be
disruptor 2.0", etc. Have<br>
you seen ITEXPO? Ideally also raising some venture
capital to erase value from<br>
fund limited partners portfolio, like pension funds,
university endowments.<br>
<br>
Although sometimes we feel sorry, knowink they will
not meet the success, and<br>
almost have heart to tell them is just trollink, but
our government is clear<br>
about goal: work hard every day to suck money out of
American economy.<br>
<br>
POSNER: So it is in Russia's interest to see big
ideas funded in America?<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Oh yes yes! Bigger is better! First mover
advantage and network<br>
effect, go big or go home trailblazink! On every
time someone gets the Series A<br>
for "completely transforming the way you do the
business with UCaaS" [air quote<br>
gesture] or like "a new kind of next-gen VoIP
peering" [air quote gesture] we<br>
are having another champagne bottle at the
headquarters.<br>
<br>
POSNER: This does not really sound like traditional
intelligence work.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: Is not. We are livink in Internet cultural
moment, is about memes,<br>
engineering perceptions and mass behaviour, new kind
of value creation.<br>
Likewise destruction.<br>
<br>
POSNER: We will consider your asylum application in
detail. In the meantime,<br>
you will be detained at [redacted] as before.<br>
<br>
BALASHOV: This is famous American tradition of
"customer service"?<br>
<br>
POSNER: We call it "customer success" nowadays.<br>
<br>
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