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    <p>OK guys, one by one, one step forward! :-)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01.04.18 12:39, Yuriy Gorlichenko
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      <div dir="ltr">Товарищ подполковник! Алексей Балашов нас выдал!!!!<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-01 7:53 GMT+03:00 Eric Viel <span
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            <div dir="auto">Good one!!!! Made me really laugh</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Le dim. 1 avr. 2018 00:44, Alex
                    Balashov <<a
                      href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>>
                    a écrit :<br>
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                    <br>
                    ATLANTA, GA (1 April 2018)--In a twist of events
                    that has shocked the global<br>
                    technical community, the well-known open-source VoIP
                    professional Alex Balashov<br>
                    has revealed himself to be a deep cover intelligence
                    operative of the GRU<br>
                    (Main Intelligence Directorate of the military of
                    the Russian Federation) and<br>
                    the FSB (the Federal Security Bureau, the successor
                    agency to the Soviet-era<br>
                    KGB).<br>
                    <br>
                    Balashov was reported to be seeking US political
                    asylum and immunity from<br>
                    prosecution in return for an exposé of the ways in
                    which the Russian foreign<br>
                    intelligence apparatus has sought to influence the
                    direction of the open-source<br>
                    communications project "Kamailio", widely used in
                    telecommunications carrier,<br>
                    service provider and enterprise environments to
                    deliver high-scalability<br>
                    routing services and other SIP (Session Initiation
                    Protocol) platform building<br>
                    blocks.<br>
                    <br>
                    In connection with these sensitive ongoing
                    negotiations, Balashov was debriefed<br>
                    on behalf of the US Government by Fred Posner of The
                    Palner Group, a<br>
                    counterintelligence think tank and security
                    consulting firm based in<br>
                    Gainesville, Florida. This debriefing was
                    coordinated with the German BND<br>
                    (Bundesnachrichtendienst) agency and other agencies
                    representing security<br>
                    cooperation partners of the European Union and NATO.<br>
                    <br>
                    GOSA have been able to obtain exclusive excerpts
                    from the portions of this<br>
                    interview not deemed top secret:<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Please state your full name, age, place of
                    birth, physical<br>
                    characteristics, serial number and any other
                    relevant professional asset<br>
                    identification markers.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: [redacted]<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: You have made the claim that Kamailio has
                    been infiltrated by Russian<br>
                    spy agencies. Given that it's an open-source
                    project, that's a bold and<br>
                    provocative claim. Where's the evidence?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Infiltration is perhaps strong word from
                    spy novels. Reality is less<br>
                    thrilling. As you are knowing from controversy about
                    election of our Donald,<br>
                    covert global influence today is mainly question of
                    soft power.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Is there an obvious way in which this
                    applies to the Kamailio project<br>
                    you can show us? I remind you that you have staked
                    your personal freedom on<br>
                    this issue.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Influence is delicate matter. Da, of
                    course there are some<br>
                    superficial indications...<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Such as?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: For example module to support language
                    Squirrel. What is Squirrel?<br>
                    Who uses it? If you take a look at code is a bit
                    complicated, da? What does it<br>
                    do?<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: It is a bit complicated, But I'm not
                    convinced. Sell me.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: It was in fact committed to GitHub by
                    former Eastern Bloc<br>
                    personality, yes? Very complicated code for unknown
                    mystery language support<br>
                    from Eastern Europe...<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Yes, from the main developer and leader of
                    the project.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Hmm.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: What else?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: There is a Ukranian [redacted] who is in
                    charge of many SIP captures<br>
                    with system which diverts them to central database,
                    yes? Something with name<br>
                    from ancient Greek troubadour or myths maybe?<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: We'll have to look into that.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Kamailio World is held every year in East
                    Berlin. Every year back to<br>
                    Berlin.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: So what?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Where do most guests of it spend their
                    night?<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: [audible crack of pistol whip] This is not a
                    quiz show! I ask the<br>
                    questions here.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Yes, yes, okay, they are at the Park Inn
                    at Alexanderplatz.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: And?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: The history of this hotel in East German
                    times and Stasi presence<br>
                    there...<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: That aspect of history is well-known.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Da... then is clear.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: What are the strategic goals of Russia with
                    regard to open source<br>
                    communication infrastructure?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: From news lately can be seen that is soft
                    power leveraging and<br>
                    economic sabotage.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Economic sabotage? How will they achieve
                    that with open source?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Again is question of delicate influence in
                    small ways. This is not<br>
                    time of Arab dignitaries visiting KGB hotels in
                    Moscow in 1970s or this kind of<br>
                    naked and obvious trick.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: [raises pistol] You are here to provide
                    specifics.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Yes yes, okay. Well, I am not policy
                    architect at Khoroshovskoe<br>
                    Shosse, but general point of view with colleagues is
                    that best approach to<br>
                    Western countries is to encourage kind of
                    "boondoggles" [air quotes] which<br>
                    consume large economic resources with very little
                    benefit.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Does Russia create boondoggles in America?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: No no. We don't have this level of direct
                    influence to create per se.<br>
                    You can see from recent activities of Internet
                    Research Agency for example that<br>
                    the successful approach is the one which will
                    amplify or grow existing<br>
                    boondoggles which lead to kind of systemic
                    dysfunction, through for example<br>
                    injection of kind of "memes" [air quote gesture] and
                    "trolls" [air quote<br>
                    gesture].<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Where has Russia been successful at this
                    specifically as it relates to<br>
                    the Kamailio, the VoIP industry, and real-time
                    communications?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: The GRU are very successful at
                    disinformation campaign to convince<br>
                    business executives about cloud things. They are
                    always listening to our<br>
                    "thought leadership" [air quote gesture] to move to
                    cloud, mostly Amazon Web<br>
                    Services, which is great for us since is worst
                    possible approach. At industry<br>
                    events our people are always pushing very much cloud
                    cloud cloud, you know,<br>
                    like a stampede of rhinoceroses to cloud, don't miss
                    out on cloud! Don't be<br>
                    left on the ground, fly away to cloud! We have great
                    podcas--<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: --stop. But there is a legitimate value
                    proposition for service<br>
                    providers in moving to the cloud, isn't there?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Yes, for some maybe, but for example AWS
                    is platform not designed at<br>
                    all for telecom, is kind of Node.js and Ruby on
                    Rails hosting service.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Where is the economic sabotage?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Well they are spending one month $30,000
                    to Amazon, next month<br>
                    $35,000, next month $40,000, always bigger
                    instances, bigger, bigger, to handle<br>
                    even very basic work. Official sexy seduction
                    mythology is you can fire all the<br>
                    system admins and no longer replace hard drives at 3
                    AM and forget all this<br>
                    messing with hardware.<br>
                    <br>
                    Is very hard to resist for big business leaders who
                    follow classical Western<br>
                    management consulting sermon from 90s about "divest
                    yourself of non-core<br>
                    competencies" [air quote gesture]. You know, it is
                    same advice they come to<br>
                    give to us in Gaidar and Yeltsin days. From my
                    memory was not working out well<br>
                    until First Marshal Putin took different approach...<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Let's stay focused. Surely companies can run
                    the numbers for themselves<br>
                    and see if it makes sense for them?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Maybe, but where we have the success is in
                    the exploit of the fear of<br>
                    missing out, I think is called "FOMO" [air quote
                    gesture] nowadays. Everyone is<br>
                    moving to cloud, don't get left behind, even if unit
                    economics of it are<br>
                    disaster for your product and your company. Have you
                    heard about the cloud?<br>
                    It's future!<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: And this has been successful?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Hard to measure but for example there is
                    major increase in mailing<br>
                    list posts about putting Kamailio in Amazon EC2,
                    EC2, endless EC2 from people<br>
                    for whom it is obviously wrong thing. Lots of wheels
                    spinnink, spinnik, making<br>
                    fire and sparks, light and heat going into cold,
                    empty outer space, to keep warm<br>
                    our GLONASS satellites. But where is result?  All
                    cost increase. And still the<br>
                    $3000/mo instance does not process small amount of
                    packets that is nothing for<br>
                    bare metal server.<br>
                    <br>
                    Meanwhile spendink, spendink, solvink big amounts of
                    kind of fake problems... I<br>
                    heard this expression once in Atlanta, "keep up with
                    Jones" [air quote<br>
                    gesture]. I don't know who is Jones but everyone
                    agrees is very important to<br>
                    keep up with h--<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: --back up. Fake problems?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Maybe is better word: unnecessary problems
                    that come from way AWS<br>
                    inside workings. Stupid network constraints, stupid
                    puzzles for puzzle-solvers.<br>
                    What is American term, "eager beaver" [air quote
                    gesture]?<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Apart from tying up resources, how does this
                    enthusiasm for AWS help<br>
                    Russia?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Well it should be obvious that having
                    whole industry pay huge premium<br>
                    price to centralise their infrastructure at one
                    entity is both economically<br>
                    wasteful and precarious. Fragile and expensive setup
                    is like our Soviet economy<br>
                    at end of eighties. Also havink resemblance to
                    old-times mainframe computing is<br>
                    top secret irony nobody sees.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Where else is Russia seeding economically
                    harmful memes?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Other big initiative is encourage huge
                    overinvestment in WebRTC<br>
                    because is supposedly future of real-time
                    communications.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: But WebRTC is real.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Da, of course, sometimes workink fine, but
                    eats up big engineering<br>
                    capital and talent fighting always browser bugs and
                    incompatible<br>
                    implementations and always changink changink
                    changink. Meanwhile who is caring<br>
                    for fundamental SIP services?<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: And this is a form of economic sabotage?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Of course is sabotage. If you can make
                    much of a sector of economy to<br>
                    obsess always about some toy and create kind of echo
                    chamber of "visionary"<br>
                    [air quote gesture] commentary about it it is
                    negative for GDP and innovation.<br>
                    <br>
                    "Vision" has shown the big success for us; is
                    perfect concept in hand of<br>
                    intelligence agency because nobody is knowing what
                    it is but everyone so<br>
                    desperate to show they have it.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: So a large-scale movement of VoIP service
                    providers to the cloud and<br>
                    big development around WebRTC represent Russian
                    attempts at sabotage of the<br>
                    Western real-time communications industry?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Well again, these tendencies are existing
                    before. It is more question<br>
                    of amplifying and boosting and promoting them so
                    many actors are distracted<br>
                    from important things. American business guys are
                    very vulnerable to it; every<br>
                    time they are asking, "this does not seem to be
                    worth it for us?", always they<br>
                    hear from friends at country club, "you need more
                    bold vision and company<br>
                    culture of innovation, my friend".<br>
                    <br>
                    We have learned after some years and applying KGB
                    psychology training to<br>
                    exploit their big personal insecurities about many
                    things. For example they see<br>
                    competitor have Cloud Business Analytics, they too
                    must have now Cloud Business<br>
                    Analytics, not for any reason, just fear,
                    insecurity, the angst about not<br>
                    having enough "Big Data" [air quote gesture].<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: What else?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: In recent years can be found thought
                    leadership to remove direct<br>
                    sales because is inefficient, too high customer
                    acquisition cost and so forth.<br>
                    Always now resellers, channel partners this and
                    master agents that. Common<br>
                    sense shows industry cannot support chain with big
                    depth of reseller of<br>
                    reseller of reseller with everyone wanting to be
                    reseller and nobody selling<br>
                    actual products to the real people.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: That's not new to telecom.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: No, no, but now new twist! They are now
                    having everything "as a<br>
                    service" [air quote gesture], platform-aaS,
                    infrastructure-aaS...<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: Okay?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: But also now infrastructure
                    management-as-a-service and kind of meta<br>
                    approach, management-of-management-of-<wbr>platform-aaS.
                    Resellers of resale<br>
                    platforms of platforms of platforms.<br>
                    <br>
                    Maybe not quite clear, but this is special recursive
                    sense of humour tradition<br>
                    in Russia. Put endless things inside things inside
                    things like matryoshka<br>
                    doll. Again--<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: --matryoshka? Like the Russian nesting doll?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Yes yes, nesting doll.<br>
                    <br>
                    As I was saying key point is lots of "activity and
                    buzz" [air quote gesture]<br>
                    which is parasitism by another name. Lots of energy
                    and enthusiasm, big<br>
                    banners, hype from UC press, LinkedIn Pulse CTO
                    insights, cheerleadink, but<br>
                    where is result?<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: How is this all tied to Kamailio?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Some of it is not directly tied. It is
                    more idea that Kamailio is<br>
                    tool for executing "big ideas" [air quote gesture]
                    and "platform plays" [air<br>
                    quote gesture].<br>
                    <br>
                    When you are reading mailing list post like, "how to
                    scale up with Kamailio to<br>
                    deliver cloud WebRTC solutions for the enterprise?"
                    and wonder with yourself<br>
                    "from where this small guy got such 'big ideas'?" is
                    often result of<br>
                    Russian-sponsored so-called thought leadership. Who
                    is he? He does not have<br>
                    enterprise!<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: What's wrong with that question?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Well from our point of view nothing; great
                    question, bold and<br>
                    inspiring! We are encouraging them always to go
                    build grandiose megalomania<br>
                    ideas, telling to them, yes, "boil the ocean", "be
                    disruptor 2.0", etc.  Have<br>
                    you seen ITEXPO? Ideally also raising some venture
                    capital to erase value from<br>
                    fund limited partners portfolio, like pension funds,
                    university endowments.<br>
                    <br>
                    Although sometimes we feel sorry, knowink they will
                    not meet the success, and<br>
                    almost have heart to tell them is just trollink, but
                    our government is clear<br>
                    about goal: work hard every day to suck money out of
                    American economy.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: So it is in Russia's interest to see big
                    ideas funded in America?<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Oh yes yes! Bigger is better! First mover
                    advantage and network<br>
                    effect, go big or go home trailblazink! On every
                    time someone gets the Series A<br>
                    for "completely transforming the way you do the
                    business with UCaaS" [air quote<br>
                    gesture] or like "a new kind of next-gen VoIP
                    peering" [air quote gesture] we<br>
                    are having another champagne bottle at the
                    headquarters.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: This does not really sound like traditional
                    intelligence work.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: Is not. We are livink in Internet cultural
                    moment, is about memes,<br>
                    engineering perceptions and mass behaviour, new kind
                    of value creation.<br>
                    Likewise destruction.<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: We will consider your asylum application in
                    detail. In the meantime,<br>
                    you will be detained at [redacted] as before.<br>
                    <br>
                    BALASHOV: This is famous American tradition of
                    "customer service"?<br>
                    <br>
                    POSNER: We call it "customer success" nowadays.<br>
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